Diemaco C8 worth the price?
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How does NEA do it and keep prices to $800 retail? Are wages lower in the US for skilled CNC operators? I guess Colt USA pays Chinese wages to their staff in order to make $1100 retail for their offerings? Must be a HUGE number of skilled labour in the US applying for Colt Canada jobs.... Cuz it's such better pay and benefits.
How about cars/trucks/ATV that are 100% made in Canada that the manufacturer has no problem selling these for thousands of dollars less in the US but, do everything in their power to keep us from buying them in the US, and like charging us 30-50% more in some cases?
It's a Canadian mindset that it's OK to get screwed at retail....I ain't a part of that.
For 2 grand it's a slap in the face to have to spend another hundred on the norgon that should be on it already...
(Lefty loves the norgon)
Distributor gouging, and downgrading of the feature set to make a few more bucks on a premium product... I'm sad
Will wait a year, for the shine to wear off, and see what they are going for then.
Meanwhile, the much maligned NEA is taking my money. Go Canada.
I'm with Hitzy
(Lefty loves the norgon)
Distributor gouging, and downgrading of the feature set to make a few more bucks on a premium product... I'm sad
Will wait a year, for the shine to wear off, and see what they are going for then.
Meanwhile, the much maligned NEA is taking my money. Go Canada.
I'm with Hitzy
Just who the hell do you think you are? Seriously. Who was comparing them to Norinco? Yes, Korth is a Canadian company. They made a decision to take more than a normal pound of flesh for each rifle. That seems a bit much. Like I said, I may still buy one. Also, I am comparing the Colt Canada to KAC which is not the same as comparing it to Norinco. A KAC rifle will likely cost about the same or maybe even more. Your soapbox yelling will not affect my decision. In my opinion, the CC guns ARE worth the money but getting a$$ raped as part of the "buy Canadian" process is a bit harsh. If you are getting butt hurt by my and others reaction to that, so be it.
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Why don't you buy me one then? Make that 2.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head.
That patriotic M.O. works both ways. There's no need for Canadian retailers to rape the public while trying to make a buck. You can beat your patriotic chest all you want, but its plain stupid to pay the ridiculous prices being asked for these rifles so some "patriotic" Canadian dealer and manufacturer(which CC is not!) can get rich. Your ignorance can fund their lifestyle, I'll keep my pride and intelligence and fund mine.
Well said sir.
Good points. I see that an NEA lower is available now for $65, and there is still profit in that price for both NEA and the dealer. So why does the CC cost so much?? Colt USA as mentioned about a thousand times can be had for a little over a grand, and there's profit for both Colt and IRG before getting to my door. So why is a CC rifle so much?
Many a folk here need to open their eyes and try thinking for themselves. CC is raping the consumer and some here are happy to bend over! Then again, you can't rape the willing...
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I think what CC should have done is to sell directly to the retailers and not a middle man who is making a buck in my eyes for doing nothing. I bet that would have knocked off $500-600 of the price. I am in favour of giving my money to canadian company's , but it's time that they drop their prices too and be more competive . Im happy that a company like IRG is here . The last AR I bought was imported from the US and I saved $1000 to my door. Yes company's need to make a profit , well how much is enough ?
Canada just deployed special operations teams to Iraq to help combat those head chopping psychopaths. They're bringing C8s and C7s with them; these aren't $1000 rifles 
I'm willing to bet most dudes who have used C7s and C8s, some of which are 20+ years old (rifles, though I suppose dudes too), will support the fact that the guns get treated like #### and keep on sending freedom down range with minimal ministrations from the weapon techs. They're amazing guns.
If you find yourself on a two-way range you may be a little more appreciative.
I'm willing to bet most dudes who have used C7s and C8s, some of which are 20+ years old (rifles, though I suppose dudes too), will support the fact that the guns get treated like #### and keep on sending freedom down range with minimal ministrations from the weapon techs. They're amazing guns.
If you find yourself on a two-way range you may be a little more appreciative.
Canada just deployed special operations teams to Iraq to help combat those head chopping psychopaths. They're bringing C8s and C7s with them; these aren't $1000 rifles
I'm willing to bet most dudes who have used C7s and C8s, some of which are 20+ years old (rifles, though I suppose dudes too), will support the fact that the guns get treated like #### and keep on sending freedom down range with minimal ministrations from the weapon techs. They're amazing guns.
If you find yourself on a two-way range you may be a little more appreciative.
so........ a 1000$ USA colt m4 is not worthy to be carried in battle??? I don't understand the argument.
Canada just deployed special operations teams to Iraq to help combat those head chopping psychopaths. They're bringing C8s and C7s with them; these aren't $1000 rifles
I'm willing to bet most dudes who have used C7s and C8s, some of which are 20+ years old (rifles, though I suppose dudes too), will support the fact that the guns get treated like #### and keep on sending freedom down range with minimal ministrations from the weapon techs. They're amazing guns.
If you find yourself on a two-way range you may be a little more appreciative.
Ok Rambo, thanks for keeping me safe.
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One aspect that hasn't come up when comparing the prices of the Wal-Mart Colts versus the Canadian Colts is volume sold and how it affects the price. If CC were selling the tens of thousands of rifles that USA Colt does per year their price would be much closer to the USA Colts price. So it's not so much Colt Canada gouging us as it is the way supply and demand works or in this case doesn't.
I do believe we are being gouged by the middle man though (cough, Korth), isn't that all they do (the middle man I mean LOL) and therefore should be avoided whenever possible. It's to bad CC didn't see it that way and gone directly to our CGN retailers, because this may have dropped the price by $500. If so then there would be a new CC in my safe instead of the DD I went with for a $1,000 less, cold hammer forged barrel and all.
Yes I still want a Canadian made Colt (I used a C7A1 in the reserves and realize how really durable and accurate these rifles are) even though my DD is an excellent example of an AR and probably the closest comparison to a CC w/o spending more then what a CC costs. In the case of the CC at $2,140 versus the DD at $1,200 I had to calculate the value in paying a $1,000 more (with taxes in) for arguably the same (or very similar) rifle and in this case the value didn't compute.
Had the difference been only $500 there would probably be a CC in the safe by now. For those wondering why I would pay $500 more for what would seem a similar rifle, I guess the answer is 1.) I do want a rifle similar to the one I had in the Army, 2.) Knowing firsthand how much abuse these rifles can take and still shoot accurately allows me great confidence that I think would be difficult to find in any other AR and 3.) Owning a premium quality Canadian made product is something I am proud of and am willing to pay extra for; if that makes me a sucker instead of a proud Canadian it's something I can live with, just be careful saying it to my face.
So I'll wait and see if the prices come down to a more competitive level or bide my time waiting for what I really want a 14.5" IUR.
I do believe we are being gouged by the middle man though (cough, Korth), isn't that all they do (the middle man I mean LOL) and therefore should be avoided whenever possible. It's to bad CC didn't see it that way and gone directly to our CGN retailers, because this may have dropped the price by $500. If so then there would be a new CC in my safe instead of the DD I went with for a $1,000 less, cold hammer forged barrel and all.
Yes I still want a Canadian made Colt (I used a C7A1 in the reserves and realize how really durable and accurate these rifles are) even though my DD is an excellent example of an AR and probably the closest comparison to a CC w/o spending more then what a CC costs. In the case of the CC at $2,140 versus the DD at $1,200 I had to calculate the value in paying a $1,000 more (with taxes in) for arguably the same (or very similar) rifle and in this case the value didn't compute.
Had the difference been only $500 there would probably be a CC in the safe by now. For those wondering why I would pay $500 more for what would seem a similar rifle, I guess the answer is 1.) I do want a rifle similar to the one I had in the Army, 2.) Knowing firsthand how much abuse these rifles can take and still shoot accurately allows me great confidence that I think would be difficult to find in any other AR and 3.) Owning a premium quality Canadian made product is something I am proud of and am willing to pay extra for; if that makes me a sucker instead of a proud Canadian it's something I can live with, just be careful saying it to my face.
So I'll wait and see if the prices come down to a more competitive level or bide my time waiting for what I really want a 14.5" IUR.
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because you guys keep talking about $1000 Colt LE editions. There's a difference between a C7A1 variant and a $1000 colt Ar15, same as there's a difference between a Toyota 4Runner SE and a RAV4.
Ok Rambo, thanks for keeping me safe.
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You're welcome kido.
So you were thinking the little guy would benefit from the big dogs making a deal?
Not that they will need the rifles given their orders.Canada just deployed special operations teams to Iraq to help combat those head chopping psychopaths. They're bringing C8s and C7s with them; these aren't $1000 rifles
I'm willing to bet most dudes who have used C7s and C8s, some of which are 20+ years old (rifles, though I suppose dudes too), will support the fact that the guns get treated like #### and keep on sending freedom down range with minimal ministrations from the weapon techs. They're amazing guns.
If you find yourself on a two-way range you may be a little more appreciative.
The advisers we had working with the Afghan National Army in Afghanistan routinely saw more combat than our "front line" soldiers; atleast outside of dedicated ops. Being called an adviser doesn't move them away from combat, it's actually quite the opposite.
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