Diemaco C8 worth the price?

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GuiltySpark said:
Are you sure?
The Canadian government pays $120 for this.
Not even exaggerating.
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Now that you mention it, yeah perhaps the gov is just as foolish as others, then again, they're playing with our tax dollars so they don't care. If you are indeed correct, then CC doesn't need to mark up the civvie guns so much, as their contract rifles are clearly paying the bills and then some.

Melnibonean said:
Why the comparison between the US Colts and the Canadian ones?

IF they're not the same, they shouldn't be priced the same.

IF they are the same, then those complaining about that fact should also complain about the price of Glocks and Sigs and S&W up here vs the US. Same gun should be similar priced, if I'm understanding some of the arguments here.

I bought a SA20 and very much like it. I could have bought a DD or a KAC or a Noveske too, but since functionally they are all pretty much similar to each other, I went with CC because I WANTED TO. The difference in money from what I wanted to pay to what I did pay comes out to a few dollars per year that I plan to own this and then pass it on to my son.

This, and other reasons, are my own. Value is in the eye of the beholder, not something that can be empirically arrived at, let alone debated.
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No one has yet explained just what makes a CC rifle different from any other MIL SPEC rifle from Colt USA or anyone else of reputable standing. No one is saying don't buy one, some of us are simply saying that comparing the CC rifle to a similarly spec'd rifle from another brand or even the same brand(Colt USA) , the cost difference is not substantiated.

To the other comment in your post about complaining about the cost of Glock's SIG's etc when compared to the US prices. Yes! Same problem but less option as only Glock make Glock's and only SIG make SIG's. When Questar opened its doors the prices of both pistols plummeted overnight, I wonder why?? Same thing happened with NORC AR's when IRG announced DPMS rifles for $650. Its amazing how the price of goods changes when you don't have a strangle hold on the market..

TDC
 
TDC said:
...No one has yet explained just what makes a CC rifle different from any other MIL SPEC rifle from Colt USA or anyone else of reputable standing. No one is saying don't buy one, some of us are simply saying that comparing the CC rifle to a similarly spec'd rifle from another brand or even the same brand(Colt USA) , the cost difference is not substantiated.
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I get that, and I too would like to know from those who are better versed in this than I am IF there's a difference between the two to substantiate the difference in price, or is it just another case of things costing more in Canada because they can?

TDC said:
To the other comment in your post about complaining about the cost of Glock's SIG's etc when compared to the US prices. Yes! Same problem but less option as only Glock make Glock's and only SIG make SIG's. When Questar opened its doors the prices of both pistols plummeted overnight, I wonder why?? Same thing happened with NORC AR's when IRG announced DPMS rifles for $650. Its amazing how the price of goods changes when you don't have a strangle hold on the market..

TDC
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That's capitalism for you. Supply and demand at work. However, now that there are more retailers and the prices have come down, they are still not close to US prices (and weren't even when our dollar was worth more than the greenback). I get the added costs associated with importing the stock, but in the end, we (the buying public) accept the fact that they will cost more than the US and don't complain (much) about it.

Then there's the whole whack of difference in price between rifles that are considered "NR" up here and what they cost down south.

What I'm trying to say is that there is always going to be a difference in price between 2 identical items here and in the US.

How much of a difference is the consumer willing to accept is the question retailers try and gauge, and that is predicated sometimes on the feelings elicited in the consumer by the product rather than by the actual product.
 
Hitzy said:
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Yep, there is a difference between a 6390 and an M4.....actually maybe less then the difference between the C7/C8 and these civvy versions.
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Frankly aside from the auto sear, i really don't see much difference at all, even says m4 carbine 5.56 on the receiver, all other parts are milsec.
last i checked it didn't say C7 or C8 on the Colt Canada ones.

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Deckard said:
You don't strike me as type who thinks he's superior. Others push the message that if we question the price we are cheap or unpatriotic.
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Okay cool. Yeah I don't think I'm superior to much, but if I run into somebody who measures their "parts" by the name on the side of their receiver then yeah, I would probably get a chip on my shoulder too. :)
 
Mister Donut said:
The figures are published somewhere, I think that figure is pretty close. It's burried somewhere in the buyandsell.gc.ca website or maybe the treasury board's website.
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For curiosity's sake I'm going to track down what the paper price of a C7a2, C8a3 and elcan scope are.

I know there is a list of the differences between a C7a1 and AR15in terms of improved parts and crap, I'm trying to track it down too.
 
TDC said:
Weird, so cc makes a tidy profit at 1800 a unit on gov contracts, so I wonder what makes them worh 200-500 more for civvies? They don't even offer a third setting.

Tdc
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...or the $100 feature that makes them ambidextrous, as advertised, rather than simply ambi-safety, as they should be advertised.

...not to beat the dead horse, of course.
 
yohann160 said:
The 1850 figure includes the Elcan IIRC.
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Oh!!! So what kind of profit is elcan making selling their optics on the private market if the $1850 pricetag includes optic?! I'm betting the cost for the rifle is due to the rare mammoth tusks used to make the handguards and grip. Or the unicorn piss they treat the exterior surface with for corrosion protection.


Tdc
 
Mark-II said:
...or the $100 feature that makes them ambidextrous, as advertised, rather than simply ambi-safety, as they should be advertised.

...not to beat the dead horse, of course.
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True. These are marketed as "similar to the c7 and c8". Well missing the ambi features makes it like any other ar.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
So why is a CC rifle so much?

Many a folk here need to open their eyes and try thinking for themselves. CC is raping the consumer and some here are happy to bend over! Then again, you can't rape the willing...TDC
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I don't agree. The Canadian product is a quality rifle with detail improvements most do not notice. The barrel is hammer forged with an integral chamber. Heat will not distort barrel because it is stress relived in the hammering process. The American Colt is a button rifled barrel. The Canadian offering is hard chromed. The American Cold is soft chromed.

CC sells the rifle at a very competitive price. The distributor saw fit to mark it up by about $1000. I assume CC is as pissed as we are. it is costing them sales.
 
Ganderite said:
I don't agree. The Canadian product is a quality rifle with detail improvements most do not notice. The barrel is hammer forged with an integral chamber. Heat will not distort barrel because it is stress relived in the hammering process. The American Colt is a button rifled barrel. The Canadian offering is hard chromed. The American Cold is soft chromed.

CC sells the rifle at a very competitive price. The distributor saw fit to mark it up by about $1000. I assume CC is as pissed as we are. it is costing them sales.
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Cc isn't the only one doing chf barrels, DD and bcm also offer them and I believe noveske as well and all for less than a cc rifle. The biggest difference is in life and high heat performance such as full auto work. A button rifled barrel shoots just fine.

Tdc
 
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