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But still no price on these kits yet?
Diemaco C8 worth the price?
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As these are as close to Canadian issue C7's and C8's as the civilian market will ever get, there won't be a better Canadian made AR available that has the quality and real world testing backing it that these rifles have. A lot of people are annoyed about what most feel is an excessively high sticker price on these rifles (myself included), yet the fact is these are exceptionally well built AR's (think world class) with a back ground/history that can only be matched by the American made Colt M4 which is not even available to US citizens.
The quality control that go's into these Canadian made Colts is exceptional and when you consider the proven history of hard use (brutal abuse in many cases) that these rifles are capable of enduring day in and day out while still remaining accurate and reliable is priceless in a firearm; to know it's Canadian made is just another big bonus. If they had been made available for $1,500 they would be selling like hot cakes and everybody would be singing there praises and posting MOA groups all day long. They might not have all the bells and whistles of a KAC, but they have a proven history of being able to take any abuse and still keep performing exceptionally well that KAC can't match with respect to the same numbers fielded, all at a lesser price (even with the middle-man mark-up).
It was not all US dealers that received the letter it was US distributors. The funny thing was that the legal cousel that Glock was using at that time was indited on criminal charges for stealing from Glock and is currently in prison serving time. Please get your facts straight , I was there at Questar during the time the letter was received and after which Questar dropped the prices even lower. It still changed the costs of Glock pistols in Canada and which we are seeing now with AR market
I'm sorry I'm confused?
You're not getting the point of my last post. The gouging is being dumped on Korth, the reality is CC doesn't care one way or the other what they charge as they've already sold their products to Korth. If CC was so concerned about the retail pricing they would have stipulated that the cost be set prior to making a deal with Korth. The fact that Korth appears to have the freedom to set the price wherever they wish indicates that CC either doesn't care what the cost is as they will not be the one being blamed for gouging, or they're playing with a room temperature IQ when it comes to negotiating a contract.
Lets get something straight right now. The terms "C7" and "C8" are nothing more than the Canadian army designation for a 20" AR15 and a 14.5"(15.7" according to CC) AR15. There is nothing special about the AR's our military uses as opposed to those used by the US military. A Mil SPEC rifle is a MIL SPEC rifle. There appears to be some minor changes but nothing that alters function or performance. To say the civvie offerings are almost the same is ignorant, as they're identical with the exception of a third setting and the ambi bolt catch, neither of which effects the function or performance of the rifle.
I'd like to see evidence that CC quality control is somehow superior to that of Colt USA or any other reputable brand like Noveske, KAC, BCM, LMT, or DD. Making claims without evidence to support is called BS. CC, LMT, KAC and I' sure the others have all had "real world" experience as well so that argument doesn't hold water either. The "real world" experience our militaries rifles have seen is pathetic compared to that of the US or other nations who are far more involved globally than we are.
It seems many of the supporters of this rifle are mil types who likely have only ever used a "C7/C8" which makes their opinion biased and ill informed. I've handled a fair number of "C7/C8" rifles but have not shot any. I have however shot an endless number of other makes and models, and they all seem to shoot just fine, which leads me to believe the CC offering will be no different. This is a service rifle, designed for shooting people not competitions. I don't see anything factual that indicates otherwise and am not surprised by this either.
Comparing a bone stock CC to a dressed KAC is pathetic. By the time you change out the standard "magical" handguards and garbage off the CC I'm betting the cost is greater than that of a KAC out of the box.
You're probably right, at $1500 a unit I could justify the little bit extra for a nostalgia piece, it is unique. At $1500 a unit they are priced within the market standard, but at the current pricing they're simply a rip off and marketed towards the uninformed or fanboy customer base. This same mentality was in play when Colt USA rifles were difficult to obtain. Their $2000 plus price tags were being rabidly justified because they were "Colt guns, just like the issue ones!" Now that other makers offer a MIL SPEC guns that run as well and cost a lot less the price has magically dropped to a competitive level. Ever wonder why CC announced they were selling their rifles to the public without offering a price? They were testing the market to see just how much they could gouge the customer before they said no, like a silent auction. Same thing with the SG542, Swiss Arms, XCR, ACR, Tavor, Type97, the list goes on and on. Get the public all excited and talking about how much they would spend to have the "cool" new toy then gouge the sh*t out of them. I can tell you with absolute fact that the Swiss rifles were disgustingly marked up. But people were lead to believe they were worth it, and that was the price to pay to join the "cool" club. Sound familiar??
Its the bold sentence that is the point I was illustrating. When someone breaks the norm and stops gouging so much it forces the prices to come down. CC has monopoly on the "just like the CF uses!" market for rifles so they don't need to lower the price. Oh sorry, its Korth that's gouging..
TDC
MOA groups? not on those 2 rifles sorry.
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I'm pretty sure Longshot and Gunnerlove have pulled off MOA groups during competitions. When I was working the BUTTs, Muir had MOA groups. Of the examples I saw, the C7 is definitely capable.
Actually TDC is wrong, there is no huge markup on SAN rifles. Furthermore the production prices and currency rates have driven their prices up even higher. If they are imported again some folks will be subject to some real sticker shock. FWIW don't take my word for the prices, anyone can check on line what the price of a new SAN rifle is in Switzerland.
As for FAMAE there is no monopoly. TI is bringing them is as is ERE. While TI has been advertising a lower price for a year or so, it is still higher than many think the rifles are worth. Well guess what? They are quite expensive right out of the factory, largely because the Canadian market is so small and quantities ordered are too.
20 year old used and abused C7s are capable of MOA groups.
isnt/wasnt that one of the main selling points of C7, the use of a cold hammer forgerd barrel. And arent CHF barrels supposed to be extremely accurate by design?
Never seen it myself, but back then we always hit the mess hard the night before the range, we bragged if we got a 4" group.
These rifles are capable of MOA groups. I have done so with mine. The point is that they still are drastically overpriced. This is emphasized by the fact that Korth can sell these firearms to MIL customers for a somewhat reasonable price. How are they doing it? Simple. Cut out the retailer. This is similar to what the pricing would be if the retailers were able to purchase directly from CC.
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