Different kinds of rimfire competition
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CanFire said:
There aren't many double action semi-autos, to the best of my knowledge there's just the sig mosquito and walther p22. Perhaps something that doesn't involve drawing a loaded handgun, perhaps draw and then load or something like that.
So have everyone start with an empty pistol. One hand on the holstered pistol and the other hand on the holstered magazine. At the sound of the buzzer they draw their weapon, insert the magazine, work the slide (if necessary), and start shooting. While loading and racking, the pistol's muzzle has to remain downrange and there is still no reloading or clearing of jams allowed?
Do we have age brackets for competition (ie: age 10 - 14 , 14-17, and 18+)? Do we set a minimum age? Do we restrict it to open sights only or allow any sight to be used? Do we setup a separate revolver classification?
Another option would be to stick to the DA requirements and just start off by buying a club gun for competition use. Local competitor's could use the club pistol (for example: a Walther P-22) or they could choose to use their own approved make/model. I'm thinking the club pistol would be paid for by proceeds from the "Sporting Pistol Challenge Badge" course. This would make it cheaper and easier to get new people involved.
Do we have age brackets for competition (ie: age 10 - 14 , 14-17, and 18+)? Do we set a minimum age? Do we restrict it to open sights only or allow any sight to be used? Do we setup a separate revolver classification?
Another option would be to stick to the DA requirements and just start off by buying a club gun for competition use. Local competitor's could use the club pistol (for example: a Walther P-22) or they could choose to use their own approved make/model. I'm thinking the club pistol would be paid for by proceeds from the "Sporting Pistol Challenge Badge" course. This would make it cheaper and easier to get new people involved.
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I'm still thinking that it would be best to draw an unloaded mag and then load it. Requiring a club to own a pistol just for this may make it a little prohibitive for some people to join. There are a ton of Ruger Mk I/II/II, Buckmark, Neos, and whatever else owners out there that could potentially join up but couldn't because their gun in SA. As a P22 owner, I'd like to be able to clear a jam while shooting too 
(but if it's a timed event that would just hurt your score, but a malfunctioning pistol wouldn't totally take you out). Age brackets might be usefull, kind of like 18+ and 18 and under. The problem is the amount of kids that own handguns (small?). Perhaps also separate clasess for irons and then an 'open' class for any type of sight, I like that idea.
I'll be honest, I have no idea what IPSC even is other than it requires drawing a loaded pistol and trying to hit targets while being timed. So, I ask you guys, what do they use for targets? Do they move around during competition. Maybe I should just do some reading and see if a rimfire IPSC with slight changes for safety (add loading a mag part of the equation) would work out.
(but if it's a timed event that would just hurt your score, but a malfunctioning pistol wouldn't totally take you out). Age brackets might be usefull, kind of like 18+ and 18 and under. The problem is the amount of kids that own handguns (small?). Perhaps also separate clasess for irons and then an 'open' class for any type of sight, I like that idea.I'll be honest, I have no idea what IPSC even is other than it requires drawing a loaded pistol and trying to hit targets while being timed. So, I ask you guys, what do they use for targets? Do they move around during competition. Maybe I should just do some reading and see if a rimfire IPSC with slight changes for safety (add loading a mag part of the equation) would work out.
667 said:Yeah... prove that all you need is a .22 to have a shooting sport
Better yet, let's keep women & kids who can't handle the recoil from a 9mm or people who can't afford to spend $$$ on ammo out of the shooting sports altogether. That'll help our cause. Maybe we should also petition IPSC to allow nothing smaller than a .50 cal Desert Eagle just in case the Liberals start thinking we don't need anything bigger than a .45!
The more people we get involved in some kind of shooting sport the better off Canadian gun owners will be. I think a .22 pistol competition would make a great stepping stone for people to get involved in IPSC.
Great suggestion. In addition to the benefits you pointed out, it would also eliminate the necessity and cost of a holster. Trying to find a suitable holster for a .22 pistol that is sporting a red dot scope probably wouldn't be easy.KDX said:
I don't think Canada suffers from a surplus of shooting events. The greater the variety, and the more open they are, the better.
As for the holster/table idea, if it's an issue or you are introducing the juniors to the sport, just start at the bench with an assortment of targets at varying distances, loaded with muzzle on the bench, finger off the trigger.
As for the holster/table idea, if it's an issue or you are introducing the juniors to the sport, just start at the bench with an assortment of targets at varying distances, loaded with muzzle on the bench, finger off the trigger.
667 said:
If you don't like the idea then fine but don't start trashing it because you don't like it. I'm not a fan of precision shooting, shooting 2" groups at 500 yards is not my idea of fun but for some people it is. I don't go to the precision rifle forum and trash their ideas because it's not my thing. That's like going to a Glock forum and saying that Glocks are the worst gun ever and not providing a reason why. IPSC is prohibitive/unattractive to some people due to the costs of guns and gear or even recoil as CanFire pointed out. I think the goal here is to try and find some fun way of using rimfire rifles and handguns in a quasi-competitive way to help introduce people to shooting sports. Something that isn't exceedingly expensive or complicated and is, most of all, fun.
If you've got some constructive criticism the go ahead and post it, other than that get lost.
Here are some target layouts I came up with. The yellow targets are the stop targets - shooting them stops the clock and ends your round whether you've shot any other targets or not. Penalties will be issued for any missed targets. With all that in mind, targets can be engaged in any order the shooter likes.
Event 2 is the same as Event 1 except all targets (excluding the stop target) should be hit twice.
Event 4 is the same as Event 3 except all targets (excluding the stop target) should be hit twice.
Event 6 is the same as Event 5 except all targets (excluding the stop target) should be hit twice.
Event 7: all targets excluding the stop target should be hit twice
Event 2 is the same as Event 1 except all targets (excluding the stop target) should be hit twice.
Event 4 is the same as Event 3 except all targets (excluding the stop target) should be hit twice.
Event 6 is the same as Event 5 except all targets (excluding the stop target) should be hit twice.
Event 7: all targets excluding the stop target should be hit twice
I guess it is going to take some trial and error to finalize a target size. I was thinking we would keep the distance and target layout the same for all classes, but vary the size of the targets. Maybe we have small targets for the adult open class, medium targets for both the adult iron sight class & the junior open class, and large targets for the junior iron sight class?
Looks pretty neat to me. I was also thinking of adding a reactive component in the form of silhouettes of some sort. I was actually thinking of pop cans to be honest. At 25 yards or less they offer a tough enough target but are still easy and fun enough to hit. Perhaps 5 pop cans on a target stand, 2 events. One could be 10 rounds timed and the most cans hit with the fewest rounds in the least time wins. Event two could be an unlimited number of rounds at a longer distance but you have to hit them all.
Reactive targets are fun, but they are usually region specific and can change over time so I'm thinking circular carboard targets. One of the things I was aiming for was a competition where the scores are universal. If Germany holds a .22SPC contest then their time scores should be exactly comparable to our time scores.
To that end, the targets are not only at fixed distances from the shooter, but they will also be at fixed distances from the centerline. By having everything reproducible, some farm kid in Mexico could setup a range on the farm and compete (or at least practice) in his own backyard.
Maybe local clubs will add an exhibition event (reactive targets) or two to entertain spectators?
To that end, the targets are not only at fixed distances from the shooter, but they will also be at fixed distances from the centerline. By having everything reproducible, some farm kid in Mexico could setup a range on the farm and compete (or at least practice) in his own backyard.
Maybe local clubs will add an exhibition event (reactive targets) or two to entertain spectators?
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