Dillon 650
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fingers284
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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A cordless drill makes a lot more noise than the case feeder.
rnbra-shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Brunswick
It's an irritating sorta sound (clinkety, clackety), but nowhere near painful.
Dunno if you bought one, but the RT-1200 case trimmer is pretty damn loud, and when combined with a shopvac running in the same room (needed to suck away trimmings bits), is pretty miserable. I usually wear earmuffs when doing this (as infrequently as possible), just to keep my sanity and concentration.
You'll enjoy your XL-650....
Dunno if you bought one, but the RT-1200 case trimmer is pretty damn loud, and when combined with a shopvac running in the same room (needed to suck away trimmings bits), is pretty miserable. I usually wear earmuffs when doing this (as infrequently as possible), just to keep my sanity and concentration.
You'll enjoy your XL-650....
It's not loud and you definitely will not need ear protection unless you want to. Dumping brass into the bowl will make more noise. I flip it to the higher speed when loading the cases into the tube and drop it down to slower speed when reloading. The low primer alarm will drive you nuts almost instantly when it starts to buzz. I only get to reload later in the eve/night and have no complaints of noise coming from the kids or "Boss Lady" and believe me she would let me know.
- Location
- The Orion Arm
The actual case feeder doesn't make anymore noise than say a small desktop fan.
The only "noise" is the sound of the cases being churned around inside. That noise is similar to what you'd get if you used a brass separator or media separator. I've had it turning round and round and round when empty and never noticed (and this with no background noise like the radio)
The only "noise" is the sound of the cases being churned around inside. That noise is similar to what you'd get if you used a brass separator or media separator. I've had it turning round and round and round when empty and never noticed (and this with no background noise like the radio)
- Location
- The Orion Arm
Why would they say that? I reload both .223 and .308 on it. I find it just as easy as pistol rounds, once you set it up.
Not practical to see how many cases are left in the bowl, I have a convex mirror on the ceiling so I can check the remaining cases and bullets in each feeder
That is what I was thinking, I have a 550 already and don't see much difference between the two. The 550 is fine for all types of rounds, except maybe 50 cal. I don't see how the 650 could not do rifle rounds. Maybe the awesome .223 is too much for the 650. Lol.
Most people dont know much about reloading but somehow they all have an opinion on something. Get over it, I have stopped listening to peoples opinions on everything. I dont give a crap what people think they know, unless they have some facts or evidence to prove it.
Just challenge that person politely:
Hey, I would like more info. Why isnt a progressive machine like the 650 good for rifle ammo exactly?
- Answer: Because single stage gives you more accurate ammo.
Oh, and what would be the accuracy difference at 100 to 600 yards on both kinds of ammo? Would it be significant?
-I dont know
Oh, have you ever tried both to compare?
-No, but everyone knows that.
Oh, do you have a link to some comparative data or something that I could look at to compare?
-No, but everyone knows that.
Oh, well, since you do not know what would be the acuracy difference, and have not personally tried it, and have not ever seen any evidence of that, and cant even tell where one could find evidence of that, it would be fair to say that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about so I will take my advice somewhere else if you don't mind.
Think I am funny?
How many members here could actually give me info on the accuracy difference between 308 ammo reloaded on a single stage vs a dillon 650 (with everything else being equal, dies, powder weight, etc).
Not many I am quite sure.
I personally could not, so honestly, I just don't know, but if I ever buy a dillon 650, I will sure try some reloads on it and compare to the single stage, because honestly, I HATE reloading on a single stage.
There are some operations like FL resizing that you might not like doing for large rifle on a progressive because it requires a lot of force and you might not get a good feel. Plus, there is the lube issue, and the case trim issue.
So some people who reload rifle on a progressive have 2 heads. One for case prep, and one for powder, bullet and crimp (if).
I have both, and I use both.
I hear what you're saying.
I 'assume the assumption' is that the nature of being progressive causes a press to have larger tolerances.
I would think measuring the runout on ammo created on each type of press would provide a clue as to whether there's any truth to the theory.
That's what I will do when I get my progressive to load 223 anyway...
And even if there was a runout difference, what would be the real impact?
Is there truly a difference in the accuracy the ammo made using the same dies, on a cheap lee press and a forster coax?
Who shoots well enough to see it?
I'm not saying that there is no difference. There might be.
But honestly, using the same dies, same technique, I don't think that the 650 is any worse than a single stage press (maybe excluding the coax crowd? and I don't know, really. I have one and never had time to test, and probably never will, until I am retired, which is not before another 30 years I would say.).
rnbra-shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Brunswick
I use an XL650 to load my long range match ammo (300 to 1000 yards). The ammo is good enough for top level competition (national and international).
There's really only two things I do differently when making 1000 yards .308 ammo, compared to loading up a zillion rounds of AR-15 blasting ammo:
- I don't use the press-mounted Dillon powder thrower (I throw from a bench-mounted Redding BR-30; this past year I think I have reluctantly concluded that I could pick up a few points if I trickle and weigh my long range ammo, however I'll continue to throw charges for ammo used at 600m and closer)
- I use a good seater die (RCBS competition series; Forster is just as good; just bought a Whidden and though I have not yet had a chance to try it out yet it looks to be at least as good)
There's really only two things I do differently when making 1000 yards .308 ammo, compared to loading up a zillion rounds of AR-15 blasting ammo:
- I don't use the press-mounted Dillon powder thrower (I throw from a bench-mounted Redding BR-30; this past year I think I have reluctantly concluded that I could pick up a few points if I trickle and weigh my long range ammo, however I'll continue to throw charges for ammo used at 600m and closer)
- I use a good seater die (RCBS competition series; Forster is just as good; just bought a Whidden and though I have not yet had a chance to try it out yet it looks to be at least as good)
