Disabled Lindsay hunter challenges law

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LINDSAY -After getting his 8- speed manual Renegade wheelchair last fall, Abe Perrault thought he had the solution to continuing his fishing and hunting activities. He has hit a bump, though, because he is not permitted to carry a loaded weapon while his wheelchair is in motion.

The Lindsay resident has been hunting since the age of 12. Two years ago, he had a stroke at age 52. He has a scooter but it wasn't until he acquired the Renegade wheelchair at Thanksgiving last year that he seemed to have overcome his mobility problem to go hunting. He was profiled in The Lindsay Post last November regarding his new-found freedom with the chair.

However, Perrault says he has learned that the Ministry of Natural Resources classifies his wheelchair as a muscularly powered vehicle, a category that also includes bicycles. A loaded gun is prohibited from being carried while on such vehicles, as they are from motorized vehicles.

"My wheelchair is my legs," Perrault said in an interview.

He noted that hunters can carry a loaded gun while walking. "You're more apt to trip over a stick than I am in my wheelchair," he said.

He said he can walk short distances, but he isn't steady enough to walk the distances on uneven terrain involved in hunting. Having his gun loaded while he is in motion in the wheelchair is critical to the hunt, he said. "Ninety-five per cent of the time that you are leaving or going, you see your animals." Also, without a loaded gun while in motion he can't go bird hunting, he said.

Perrault wants the laws changed so that physically disabled people can carry a loaded gun while hunting and in motion in manually powered wheelchairs. He has contacted the Ministry of Natural Resources and the office of Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock MPP Laurie Scott.

"There are provisions that would allow specified disabled individuals to have a loaded firearm on a motorized vehicle and to discharge it from the vehicle," said Jolanta Kowalski, senior media relations officer with the Ministry of Natural Resources. "This would include wheelchairs whether they are motorized or powered by muscular power. Individuals may apply for authorization permits for up to five years from their local MNR office."

However, she added, "Under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act 1997 it is not legal for someone to carry a loaded firearm while their vehicle or wheelchair is moving. This condition was put in place due to concerns about public safety associated with having a loaded firearm on or in a moving vehicle.

"We try to accommodate hunters with disabilities and work with them to ensure they have a successful and safe hunt. In support of Ontario's commitment to improve accessibility for people with disabilities, the Ministry of Natural Resources will continue to review government initiatives, including legislation and policies, to identify accessibility barriers that may need to be removed."

In an interview, Wylie Harvey, owner of Accessible Canadian Adventures in Milton, Ont., said this is the first time the issue has been raised with him. Harvey has been in a wheelchair since 1995, when he broke his back.

He started his company in 2005 to help disabled sports enthusiasts to hunt, fish and go on wildlife photography adventures.

He said he has a permit so that he can shoot from his truck once it is stopped. To hunt in the bush, he said he drives in and drops his gun and gear, drives out, then returns in his wheelchair.

"I've never had a need to travel with it loaded (on his wheelchair)," he said, "but I see what he's getting at."

Wylie said he can't see what the difference is between walking with a loaded gun and carrying it on the lap while in a wheelchair. But he had reservations about how convenient it would be. "I know the exact chair he means. It would be difficult to carry it on his lap."

But, he added, "I see his point to want to be equal to his walking companions."

Perrault said he knows changing a law is a long-term process, but he wanted the public made aware of the issue while he continues to challenge it. "I've got the ball rolling, but I want everybody to know."

http://www.thepost.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3438423
 
Here is a pic of the guy and his chair:

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Tell him he's welcome to hunt at my camp!!! That's horse####. The MNR is nothing but a taxpayers joke!!!!!! Let the man hunt, as he's able to do. My hat's off to him for continuing to do what he loves. He's welcome to hunt with us, as he's able. Despite what the jerked off MNR says!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave.
 
What kind of MNR officer would charge this guy? Hopefully they update the law...



P.S. That wheelchair is quite rugged looking
 
Tell him he's welcome to hunt at my camp!!! That's horses**t. The MNR is nothing but a taxpayers joke!!!!!! Let the man hunt, as he's able to do. My hat's off to him for continuing to do what he loves. He's welcome to hunt with us, as he's able. Despite what the jerked off MNR says!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave.

bring him over to our camp as well
 
correct me if I'm wrong but i believe the OP mentioned "while in motion". agree that this is bulls***, but could he not carry an un-loaded firearm until the wheelchair was no longer in motion? didn't see any mention about a loaded firearm while not in motion. I believe in Ontario you can shoot out of a boat as long as the motor is shut off and out of the water. once again correct me if I'm wrong.
 
That's true but the point is simple he's trying to continue a sport and is being hasseled by bull#### laws. The rcmp charged the girl scouts in my area for no manual bailing device in their canoe and the mnr charged a man (quadriplegic mind you) for fishing without a license because his wife stuck the only rod in his chair. That wheel chair is his legs and any mnr that would charge This man has no morals
 
There are some BS laws out there but that one is a doozy! Hope this court battle works out. Not only for him but others that are in the same situation.
 
correct me if I'm wrong but i believe the OP mentioned "while in motion". agree that this is bulls***, but could he not carry an un-loaded firearm until the wheelchair was no longer in motion? didn't see any mention about a loaded firearm while not in motion. I believe in Ontario you can shoot out of a boat as long as the motor is shut off and out of the water. once again correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep, that's right.

At least the way it's worded, he can have the gun with him and drive around on the wheel chair but it must be unloaded. If he sees something, he must stop, load, and then shoot.

Still stupid. I'd just recommend some kind of setup that could keep the guns stable and controlled while moving for safety. But other then that, let him at it!
 
Ya there needs to be an exemption for that kind of wheelchair. I`m thiking it would travel about as fast as a man walking, so what`s next prohibiting you from carring a loaded rifle while in motion on foot.
 
I hope the MNR fights him on this, because in the end they will lose. Being taken down a couple of notches would be good for them.

i'm surprised he hasnt taken this to the human rights people.
 
Has the guy been charged for any hunting violations at the first place or how he plans to get the law challenged ... ?

Any muscular powers are including horse back too and bike. Canoe comes in . So he needs to anchor up his wheelchair before taking a shot or some thing ... ?
 
about the law and the chair is a motorized vehical look for exemption to safely care loaded gun have already got exemption shoot from stationariy vehical just like to hunt small game upland game again no charge just have get this law changed abe
 
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/239841.pdf

Use of Vehicles, Boats or Aircraft
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book][FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book](see Definitions, page 86) [/FONT]
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]Aircraft may not be used while hunting. Snowmobiles, vehicles or boats may not be used for chasing, pursuing, harassing, capturing, injuring or killing any wildlife. [/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT=ITC Giovanni Std Black,ITC Giovanni Std Black][FONT=ITC Giovanni Std Black,ITC Giovanni Std Black]It is illegal to have a loaded firearm in or on, or discharge a firearm from, an aircraft, vehicle (including snowmobile and all-terrain vehicle) or motorboat [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book][FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]or anything towed by the boat. An exception to this rule is that a person may obtain an authorization through the local ministry office if the person’s mobility is impaired and the person meets one of the following criteria: [/FONT]
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]1. A paraplegic or hemiplegic [/FONT]
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]2. A single (above the knee) lower limb amputation or a double (below the waist) amputation [/FONT]
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]3. Suffers severe disability, and cannot hunt without the use of a wheelchair or similar means of locomotion. In this case, the hunter must provide a medical certificate stating disability. [/FONT]
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]The authorization is valid for a period of up to five years for a person with a permanent disability [/FONT]


VEHICLE:
[FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book][FONT=Giovanni Book,Giovanni Book]Any kind of vehicle that is driven, propelled or drawn on land or ice by any kind of power, including muscular power, and includes the rolling stock of a railway.
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Has the guy been charged for any hunting violations at the first place or how he plans to get the law challenged ... ?

Any muscular powers are including horse back too and bike. Canoe comes in . So he needs to anchor up his wheelchair before taking a shot or some thing ... ?

He has a thread on OODMAG where he is asking guys to contact the MNR to express their support for him having the law changed.
 
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