Discussion thread - 2024 - 100 yard .22LR challenge

On a related note, the "extra" left-right spread that may not be explained by wind alone can also be seen in "extra" vertical (up-down) spread that's not accounted for by MV differences. This is largely unrelated to wind variation, at least with relatively light wind conditions.

MV and POI mismatch can be a frequent characteristic of .22LR ammo.

With standard velocity .22LR, a rough figure of .25" vertical spread for each 10 fps difference in MV is often cited. To be a little more precise, according to Gundata.org's ballistics calculator, for every 10 fps difference in MV there is a vertical difference of 0.265". In other words, two rounds whose MV is 10 fps should have POI about .265" in vertical (This figure was calculated using 1070 fps and 1080 fps.)

The small group on target #3 (bottom right) has a vertical spread of about 0.480". The ten rounds that made that group had a muzzle velocity spread of 29.4 fps. According to ballistics, an approximately 30 fps spread should result in about .75" of vertical.

The small group on target #6 had a vertical dimension also of about .480" and its ten rounds had a muzzle velocity spread of 13.5 fps. That seems more in line with vertical spread expected from that MV spread.

Another result that's intriguing is that the POI's that were the highest or the lowest in a group were not necessarily those with the fastest or slowest MV. For example in target #1, top right bull, the POI that was lowest had the fastest MV of all ten rounds. No scope adjustments were made when shooting that group. Also on target #1, on both bottom bulls, neither of the highest POI's were from the fastest rounds of each group.

When it comes to MV and POI mismatch, compared to other lots of Midas that I shot last year, at this point in the testing these two lots seem a little better. But that the MV and POI mismatch occurs is a problem about which shooters should be aware. The assumption that an unexpectedly high or low POI is the result of an unusually fast or slow round is not one that will necessarily be what's actually happening.

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The point here is that .22LR match rounds don't always go where the wind (or its absence) or the MV would predict. Sometimes rounds have unexpected and unpredictable trajectories, the explanation for which lies elsewhere.
 
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An observation or two about some of groups shown above.

Vertical spread is largely unaffected by any changes in wind movement that may have occurred this morning while these targets were shot.

The top right group on Target #1 clearly had the least vertical spread. It also had the greatest muzzle velocity spread of all 20 groups. It was 32.6 fps.

Target #2 had the most vertical spread of the ten groups shot with the first lot (Targets 1 - 3). Starting with the top group and followed left to right on bottom, the ES of each ten shot group was 19.6, 19.8, and 23.4 fps.
 
I've been pretty much staying with SK Long Range Match with my Vudoo V22 at both 50 & 100. But curiosity has gotten the better of me and wanted to try a few different types of ammo. The following were at 100 meters.

One 10 shot grouping certainly won't be conclusive, but perhaps an indication. As I was switching from SK to Lapua to Eley I shot 5 rounds of each before each group.

1. the SK LRM maybe not as tight as other ammos indicate ... but doesn't seem to have those outliers.
2. Center X I've always found confusing .... seems to have great potential, but always seems to have 1 or 2 per group that wander.
3. First time trying Eley Team .... kind of liked it.
4. the wind started to get a little twitchy and think I should have done better with the Eley Match
5. was given some Eley Tenex Biathalon so had to try. Very poor results .... so poor I shot a second group at #6.

Definitely going to do more trials with the Team and Match ... but have the SK LRM as backup!

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Always noticed with me. I get a poor group, then the next two is much tighter. Getting some insurance money so I'll be spending it on some other kinds of ammo. I'd be happy with 1.3" with that 64 S.

*Edit* just realized that 1.36" is what I did last challenge ( Eley sport ) So guess 1.2" is my new goal.
 
Tried today with the 10/22 before I removed the scope and retire it for a RDS. AVG 2.312 with Eley Sport which is better than what I shot before with it. But I'm lazy and don't want to put in a submission as yes I beat myself, it's not that impressive.
 
Today's results show that getting consistent good results is not a regular occurrence. Consistency is a tall order at 100 yards.

Out of a total of twenty groups, two lots of M+ produced four ten-shot groups over 1.200" and five under .800".



 
How much do you guys need to dial up when going from 50 to 100?

I'm not yet using any better quality ammo. I am shooting a CZ455 Super Match 20" barrel. Mine is zeroed at 20 yards, and having verified the repeatability of my scope, setting is exactly +6" at 100 yards; wind, no wind, seems to make little difference to elevation; it does affect windage.. This is with both CCI Std and Tac22. Tac22 shoots about 1/8" higher at 100 yards.

Based on published data this does not seem right, but the targets tell the tail, and the scope elevation verifies it.
 
I'm not yet using any better quality ammo. I am shooting a CZ455 Super Match 20" barrel. Mine is zeroed at 20 yards, and having verified the repeatability of my scope, setting is exactly +6" at 100 yards; wind, no wind, seems to make little difference to elevation; it does affect windage.. This is with both CCI Std and Tac22. Tac22 shoots about 1/8" higher at 100 yards.

Based on published data this does not seem right, but the targets tell the tail, and the scope elevation verifies it.

Something to keep in mind is that data published in websites and forums is not necessarily valid with the rifle and ammo you used. That is to say, MVs in your rifle may be different from manufacturers' suggested MV's.
 
It's good to see another entry.

So, I just tried to post my latest attempt here: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-Challenge?p=20263194&viewfull=1#post20263194

Unfortunately, it seems that I am only allowed to post one photo. I have the measurement photos and rifle photo as well.

Sorry, if CGN wants to promote participation, they need to do much better than this.

Mark

While I have knowledge about CGN-hosted image posting, the problem may have something to do with the size of the file(s) being posted. Perhaps the single image is too large and others don't have room.

I've put your entry on the list. When the image posting gets figured out the the caliper and gun images can be included to complete the entry.
 
It's good to see another entry.

While I have knowledge about CGN-hosted image posting, the problem may have something to do with the size of the file(s) being posted. Perhaps the single image is too large and others don't have room.

I've put your entry on the list. When the image posting gets figured out the the caliper and gun images can be included to complete the entry.

Well, I got the photos of the caliper and the rifle to post, but they are small.
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Many thanks for running this; judging by the scores of others, I still have a ways to go!
 
Considering the conditions you shot in, I’d be really pleased and with better conditions and a better grade ammo?? Great shooting
 
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