Back your truck up a bit buckwheat, I'm right here. Just got pointed to the thread. I'm sorry something happened, but I stand by the method. The method is not BS. I've used it numerous times and never had anything close to what we saw here happen. I have also stated that as soon as the cycle finishes, to get it out and oil it. People ask for ideas, others share theirs. I can't be held responsible for someone else's actions. Had I done it for him, with those results, I'd take the blame. However, I wasn't there. As stated, I've used this method lots and never had a problem. Don't like the idea? Don't use it. However, don't condemn an idea because you don't agree with it or understand it, or it doesn't fit into the neat little cubby holes of your phsycy.
Dishwasher m14 warning.
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Back your truck up a bit buckwheat, I'm right here. Just got pointed to the thread. I'm sorry something happened, but I stand by the method. The method is not BS. I've used it numerous times and never had anything close to what we saw here happen. I have also stated that as soon as the cycle finishes, to get it out and oil it. People ask for ideas, others share theirs. I can't be held responsible for someone else's actions. Had I done it for him, with those results, I'd take the blame. However, I wasn't there. As stated, I've used this method lots and never had a problem. Don't like the idea? Don't use it. However, don't condemn an idea because you don't agree with it or understand it, or it doesn't fit into the neat little cubby holes of your phsycy.
Thank you Broker...any one here ever heard of Lipid pneumonia or been through it?? I have...
Its caused by burning or heated oil or hydrocarbons which attach them selves to oxygenated blood cells just tryng to deliver oxygen to our bodies.As the oil coats the cells ,oxygen can NOT attach to the cells. So now you have oxygen derprivation to all the tissues that are dependant on it. What happens with out oxygen you may ask...cells die....and it only takes minutes for it to happen.
My Lipid was from burning rail way ties on a fire scene..it was started by a spark and I was down wind...6 hours later I felt fine,12 hours later I couldnt breathe,18 hours I was in the hospital so friigen sick and not getting any air I wished I was dead...i spent 3 days like that and never want to go down that road again.
Take the worst flu you have ever had,combine that with a head cold,throw in you cant breathe and multiply it by three and you will have lipid Pneumonia...
This is the last thing I am gonna put in about this as if you dont believe me go down the road and you will feel lucky just to be alive...But for any one who doesnt belive me...I am gonna do up some deep fried chicken tomorrow with pots scrubbed out in hot water just after a coating of 10/30...then you tell me how you feel a few hours later...
juanvaldez
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Sudbury, Ontario
Sorry but if you have ever spent 1 day in any major city you have breathed in more hydrocarbons then you will ever get from degreasing 1000 stocks or complete guns in a dishwasher. Boiling water is not hot enough to burn oil or make it smoke. As for the trace amounts of "hydrocarbons" left in your dishwater, take a guess at what "soap" is really good at...
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- Montreal, Quebec
I was sceptical, but I also read about the dishwasher method.
My stock would not fit in my dishwasher so degreased by hand, but all the metal parts did fit.
Used dishwashing soap and pots and pans cycle, turned out great. It did not screw up the parkerizing nor did it produce rust.
Saved hours of cleaning and I would do it again if I had another M14. Whatever happened to the initial posters gun is beyond me, no way a hot water scrubdown should produce that kind of damage.
I think the dishwasher artical was on surplusrifle.com - IT DOES WORK.
My stock would not fit in my dishwasher so degreased by hand, but all the metal parts did fit.
Used dishwashing soap and pots and pans cycle, turned out great. It did not screw up the parkerizing nor did it produce rust.
Saved hours of cleaning and I would do it again if I had another M14. Whatever happened to the initial posters gun is beyond me, no way a hot water scrubdown should produce that kind of damage.
I think the dishwasher artical was on surplusrifle.com - IT DOES WORK.
Juan....read your own statement...IE ..qoute un quote...Boiling water is not hot enough to burn oil or make it smoke...IE unquote...so what that tells me is that any oils placed into a confined area and sprayed with hot or so called boiling water ...are still going to remain..
wanna take another test since you specified 1000 stocks...K we are gonna take a dishwasher and i will even let you pick out the brand,model,soap and all that fun stuff....then we are gonna try and round up 1000 stocks and run them through it all the while that knowing as to you that being out side there are more hydrocarbons then what you are about to ingest....so lets say for every 5 stocks you have a meal off the plates and cutlery in the dish washer and lets see how long you last....
I just don't understand the debate, dishwasher, no dishwasher, no matter what I read or what expert said what, I would never do it. You just don't do that. I've purchased lots of military guns, enfields, norinco's, etc, soaked in oil, grease whatever.....the best part of it?, picking one of those guns up saturday morning, spending saturday afternoon at the workbench, a couple of beers and stripping it down and cleaning that gun the old fashioned way.......nothing else like it!
sorry for the loss but thats the biggest misunderstanding ive ever seen
Why are guys so lazy that they have to put their rifles in a dishwasher, it is beyond me why you can't do it the old fashoned way with some solvent. It's not like you have 10 of them to do and there is a dealine to meet.
Leave the dishwasher for the dishes.
Leave the dishwasher for the dishes.
Well at first I was surprised at the harshness of most of your comments but then I realized this is how most of you are and why a lot of people stay away from these threads. I would hate to be new to the shooting world and come on here and see this. The reason I posted this is so it won’t happen to anyone else it was ####ty to see it happen to a friend and I didn’t want to see it happen again. I know you all think this is common sense but I have already received more than a few pm’s saying thanks for this post so people out there might have tried this and I’m sure there are many more who might have thought of trying this until this post. So go on with you ripping and bull#### but all you do is turn a place of information and help in to a place that rags on people for a mistake and in my opinion scares the new guys in to not posting their questions and comments out of fear of being raged on for those people just take a look at a thread like this look at all the guys taking their shoot and don’t pm them then take a look at the small number of posts that offer good suggestions on fixing it these are the real gun nutz they are the ones that can help . I started out green to guns here like a lot of us have but by picking the right people to talk to I have learned a lot and I hope most new comers here will see past the 15 people out to give a ####ty comment or opinion to see the 1 person willing to help and not pass judgment. Sorry for the rant lol I just never thought that this is what I would get in response but I guess I should know by now what this site is really like. And here are some of the progress pics a few of you have said to post it’s on its way.
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- Fraser Valley
Good job, that looks awesome! Nice save!
#1bcshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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Also if you ever want to put a scope mount on it I would remove the striper clip feed block wile you still can & clean & oil the dove tail
What steps were taken to restore it?
Also, thanks for posting. Despite a few harsh words, this is a great thread.
KFB
juanvaldez
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Sudbury, Ontario
Actually your wrong and the reason is we use soap in our dishwashers along with hot water.
Most soaps are soluble sodium or potassium salts of carboxylic acids. The most common commercial soap is sodium stearate, Na[C17H35CO2]. It dissolves in water, forming the sodium and stearate ions. Even though most of the stearate ion is a hydrocarbon chain, it dissolves in water because of the carboxylate group. The carboxylate end is called hydrophilic (water-loving), and the hydrocarbon tail is called hydrophobic (water-fearing).
It is the long hydrocarbon chains of the stearate anions that dissolve the oils and greases. If water containing dissolved soap is mixed with oil, the hydrocarbon chains strongly attract the oil, while the ionic ends keep the soap dissolved into water. The oil spot is broken up into small droplets and dispersed into the water. The "tails" of many soap anions are needed to remove each oil droplet.
I remember a trio of retards on CLC in Wainwright facing charges for stripping the finish off their C7 rifles using concentrated, commercial toilet cleaner in 1991. A couple other guys like R711 who were on ISCC at the time might remember that too...
But MAN, I've never seen such a thing actually recorded in live photos...
But MAN, I've never seen such a thing actually recorded in live photos...
