DNA of moose shot in Minden traced to Toronto Freezer – Busted!

Good work!

This isn't the first time either. You might be suprised at how many are caught poaching using DNA, and other CSI-like techniques.
 
I get the impression that there must have been a tipoff about the poaching in order for them to find the kill site initially. Also was under the impression that there is a 6 month delay in getting DNA results from the RCMP lab on human cases with a big backlog. I would presume that animal DNA from a private lab would be about the same if any amount of it is being done

cheers mooncoon
 
mrgoat said:
I can only applaud the CO's for making the effort and using modern science available to them to help ensure a conviction.

However as I found out through personel experience the use of modern technology to solve a crime is totally up to the particular law enforcement agency and the individual officers.

My hunt camp was broken into several years ago and about 13K worth of possesions taken. The police at the time admitted they were reasonably sure who was responsble but lacked positive proof.

I pointed out to the investgating officer he had DNA proof in the form of hair in the two old hats the crooks left behind. He justed looked at me and laughed. Stated "this was a break in not a f;;kin murder" and to call my insurance company and get over it.



It is not a wonder the average person has lost confidence in the police and pays much higher insurance rates.
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You have to give the Coppers a break on this one I am afraid. B&E was not one that was on the Centre of Forensic Sciences list at the time to test for DNA unfortunately unless it involved Homicide,###ual assault etc not property Crime. As a Copper back in the old days of DNA it was very frustrating when you think some B&E guys like Colonel Williams were ###ual predators that started somewhere.
 
rem338win said:
I doubt they even recovered what the investigation cost. I think that the minimum penalty should be what it cost taxpayers to prove them guilty.
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Hunting is a multi Million dollar industry so I think the cost is worth while. Besides the ones doing the testing are a Government Org. that works for Law Enforcement agencies and not Private entities.
 
mooncoon said:
I get the impression that there must have been a tipoff about the poaching in order for them to find the kill site initially. Also was under the impression that there is a 6 month delay in getting DNA results from the RCMP lab on human cases with a big backlog. I would presume that animal DNA from a private lab would be about the same if any amount of it is being done

cheers mooncoon
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BINGO!

With the huge cost-cutting that successive governments have imposed on the MNR I believe this may be one of the only ways an investigation can start.

A lot cheaper to answer a call and dispatch the CO than driving around for hours or days to catch the bad guys. I have spent sometimes weeks up north, driving on major and minor roads without even seeing a CO.
 
glad they were caught!! poaching affects everyone. last hunting season i thought i heard gunshots at 5 am(suns up at 630 ish)..i jumped outta bed and jumped in my truck in jammies to go investivgate,,(maybe get their licence plate...... found nothing..
 
USP said:
The reason why I brought up the cost of the case, was I was under the impression that the MNR had major budget issues and were cutting back on officers and services. Most of thier offices are either shut to the public or by appointment only. You see one guy has a huge region all to himself.

Sure using dna tech is interesting, but is it a worthwhile expense if you end up cutting overall enforcement because of it?
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NO fines cover the costs- even the $30 parking ticket I got last month didn't cover its own cost of issuing.

Collecting fines isn't about the budget, it's about punishment. I tend to agree that the punishment should be all costs plus a few K, but we'd be into millions of dollars in fines for some things.
 
Awesome that they caught these lowlifes!

And personally, I don't care how much it cost to do the DNA workups ... the more the other Poachers out there realize what can and will be done, the fewer of them there will be, meaning there will be fewer occasions to actually spend this amoutn on a regular basis.
 
thebigslide said:
A paternity test is significantly less complex than matching DNA for a criminal prosecution?
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Nine time out of ten, you show them the DNA results and they confess. Plus, most people try to avoid the embarrassment of Moose paternity testing.

Ximinez: Confess, woman. Confess! Confess! Confess! Confess!
Biggles: I confess!
Ximinez: Not you!
 
USP said:
Is the budget such at the MNR they can afford this sort of thing with DNA testing? I bet the lab fees were crazy for this 13K fine.
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Unless moose DNA extraction is a lot different then human DNA the Centre of Forensic Science in Toronto could do this without cost to the MNR.
 
mrgoat said:
I can only applaud the CO's for making the effort and using modern science available to them to help ensure a conviction.

However as I found out through personel experience the use of modern technology to solve a crime is totally up to the particular law enforcement agency and the individual officers.

My hunt camp was broken into several years ago and about 13K worth of possesions taken. The police at the time admitted they were reasonably sure who was responsble but lacked positive proof.

I pointed out to the investgating officer he had DNA proof in the form of hair in the two old hats the crooks left behind. He justed looked at me and laughed. Stated "this was a break in not a f;;kin murder" and to call my insurance company and get over it.

It is not a wonder the average person has lost confidence in the police and pays much higher insurance rates.
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B&E's are now a crime that DNA testing is done on. Guess as testing got cheaper they were able to expand the uses.

Hair shafts wouldn't be acceptable for DNA testing though. It is my understanding that hair shafts can be used for mitrochondria (sp?) DNA sampling which is less specific and done by independant labs AFAIK.
 
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