i found it interesting that our army has the choice at least. i will lean for the glock but the chance we re getting what our closest neighbour has, is real.
DND Releases Draft Tender for the C22 Modular Pistol
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i found it interesting that our army has the choice at least. i will lean for the glock but the chance we re getting what our closest neighbour has, is real.
Or like what has happened a few time in the RCMP is someone decided the holster was a good place to store an allen wrench (for adjusting the holster) and the hook got into the trigger guard and pulled the trigger.
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It's hard to look at these things & not feel that they were scripted the way they are, for a reason...
Call me cynical in old age, but there you have it...
Oh, and they should just have gone with the Glock 17 and be done with it.
Cheers
Jay
Call me cynical in old age, but there you have it...
Oh, and they should just have gone with the Glock 17 and be done with it.
Cheers
Jay
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We have old worn out subs that break down and spend more time in the docks, jets that are barely flying we have to buy a bunch of retired ones from the aussies... yet we're still bringing in covid infected refugees from Haiti by the plane load.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarines-canada-fleet-repairs-canadian-navy-1.5458632
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f18-fighter-jets-canada-australia-1.5836504
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/many-co...montreal-flights-federal-data-shows-1.5276880
Notice that there is no requirement that the gun be equipped with an electronic mechanism to make sure only authorized persons could fire it???
Yet that is the exact issue the Danforth Class action is about. That S&W failed to produce a handgun with suck a mechanism to prevent unauthorized handguns from firing it.
Yet that is the exact issue the Danforth Class action is about. That S&W failed to produce a handgun with suck a mechanism to prevent unauthorized handguns from firing it.
the Danforth class action will go nowhere I hope the courts award costs to S&W
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It'd be disqualified due to the grip safety and the non-modular trigger group.
Didn't know this, thanks.
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The term foreign object appears on one of the linked statements. I thought it was spent casing, a finger or glove tip. Hadn't considered a tool.
- Must have direct-attach optics slide available for common red dots (RMR, Leupold DPP).
So does this mean pistols which require a optic specific mounting plate between the slide and the optic are ineligible?
A couple more pistols that might be eligible (with minor tweaks) are the Zev OZ9 and the new Walther PDP
So does this mean pistols which require a optic specific mounting plate between the slide and the optic are ineligible?
A couple more pistols that might be eligible (with minor tweaks) are the Zev OZ9 and the new Walther PDP
Milofficer
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Well the tender didn't specify, but I don't believe an adapter plate would be an issue as long as the slide is ready to accept a standard optic. It was written more as "we'd like to be able to purchase an optic slide later if desired". To me that sounds like the baseline C22 won't be optic ready, but could be made so with an appropriate slide replacement. I think the C22 for Big Army, general issue will be a more basic pistol, able to be modded to be suppressed and optic ready if required for a particular mission. That's my take anyway.
The Zev OZ9 still requires a trigger pull for disassembly, I believe. I didn't see any mention of being able to disassemble without it on their website but I could be wrong.
And AFAIK the Walther PDP does not meet the 'modular' definition in the tender. It is only modular in the sense that you can put any slide on any frame. Again I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest it has a modular trigger system like a P320.
Not true. There is evidence that the holster was modified and is not the correct one. There has not been a definitive conclusion that the holster was the cause. Have a look at the recent lawsuit against sig. The deposition lists many cases of the gun going off in the holster without being touched. Guay vs sig
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I made mention of that fact in my article link. You even quoted me saying so.
I'm not sure what your lawsuit Guay vs Sig has to do with the CANSOFCOM incident. Sig examined the operator's firearm and determined it wasn't defective.
The previous cases mentioned in the Guay lawsuit were likely tied to pre-upgraded P320 triggers since the incidents occurred in 2016 and 2017, and the trigger upgrade was rolled out in 2017. Guay's pistol was purchased in 2016 and it doesn't appear that he took advantage of the trigger upgrade.
It's something that was probably brought up by the MPs.
The pistol project was originally a Canadian Army small arms procurement, which after numerous stalls and questions grew into a broader CAF thing, specifically MPs (who still have older ideas of .40S&W FBI requirements), the RCN MTOG (boarding party) who want to be the SBS and RCAF who don't really want to do any shooting but figured they should have a pistol in a Behind Enemy Lines SERE scenario.
CANSOFCOM project and procurement initiation starts and generally managed within the command as Bradley mentions. Most things don't require directorates (eg DLR, DAR) for projects requirement development nor the function ADM (Mat) for capital project procurement and life-cycling. But they generally end up being staffed through PSPC as the government procurement agency.
