do i need a mil dot scope?

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scope will be mounted on a 22-250 for crows up to coyote. shots will be from in your face out to say 300 yards but in some places, 500 yard shots could be possible.

do i need a mil dot reticle or will a regular reticle be fine?

ive never owned a varmint rig before so this stuff is new to me. :redface:
 
were in Ontario are you gonna shoot 500 yards?? Just kidding. Have fun. A mildot is only good if you know how to use it. If you can use it, buy one.
 
Mil dots are designed for human sized targets.

I would think that a scope with target turrets on it would be more benificial. Know the come ups for your ammo. Learn to judge distance. Dial it in.

The Mill Dot Master might be able to help you with what you want for sizing odd targets, though.
 
I like mil dots, you can use them for rough ranging, and for hold over. There's a sticky here with a bunch of mil dot information and formulas.

They're too much fun on a .22 rimfire for long range gopher shooting.
 
Hussar_ca said:
were in Ontario are you gonna shoot 500 yards?? Just kidding. Have fun. A mildot is only good if you know how to use it. If you can use it, buy one.
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actually, theres a few different places i goto where my yardage pro scout reads 600+ yards and the bushline is likely 2-300 yards farther;) i cant shoot that far. i likely wont try more than 400.

used mil dot scopes are harder to find so i may just stick with a standard reticle.

i was reading about target turrets and it appears that their purpose is not really for hunting as its easy to hit them on something and move them around. in the heat of the moment, one may forget to check them.
 
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Mil dots are designed for human sized targets.
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Really. Can you share a source for that?


I always thought they where designed around milliradians which have nothing to do with the size of humans.

Or did you mean literally designed for in which case I always thought they where for measuring size.

Edit to add: Mildot master is a slide rule for doing rapid mathematical calculations pertinent to the use of mildots, it has nothing to do with odd size targets.....really dude, where are you getting your info?

jl
 
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It is with shame that I say I have a few web sites bookmarked on the PC and I only have access to the laptop.

Also with the Mildot Master there is a thing that had sizes (example 15" high, 10" high) for using the dots.

Of the sites bookmarked it said that the mil rads were designed for use with a man of 5'10" height.


I haven't seen my Mil Dot Master in a few years, so my memory could be out to lunch.

Lets see what you got, juliet lima.
 
Mil dot is a fairly easy way to roughly judge range. I like it for that but the down side I find the reticle fairly thick, sometimes a fine reticle would be easier to use. As most things in this sport, depends on your preference.
 
If you have one that has a fairly fine grid, and atleast hashmarks for half mills(like most of the falcon optics) then it makes for great quick hold over's. Do you need it(or is it even a benefit) for 300 and under with the 22-250 I would say no.
 
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Range estimation is only one advantage of the mildot scale. They are also very effective for holdoffs for wind or a moving target. One mil is measured from the center of one dot to another, each dot being .75 of a mil. To estimate the hold off for wind, or a moving target each mil equals roughly 3.5 MOA.

Laser rangefinders are cheap enough now, that the serious long range hunter should have one. They are faster and more accurate. The mildot scale work pretty well for range estimation if you know the precise size of your target or the size of another object very close to it. Small mistakes in the size of the target can mean enough of a mistake in the range estimation that you will miss, and the longer the range the greater the error. If you are determined to learn to use the mildot scale for range estimation, the laser can be used to check your calculation.

As an example lets say that you estimate your target size at 12" in height, but in reality its 15" high. The first example we'll say you measure the target height at 2 mils and in the second at .3 mils.

12 X 27.778 = 333/2 = 167 yards
15 X 27.778 = 416/2 = 208 yards

12 X 27.778 = 333/.3 = 1110 yards
15 X 27.778 = 416/.3 = 1387 yards
 
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One of my favorites is the no math needed style used by the Russians.

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This is the POSP 4x24 calibrated for the 7.62x39 cartridge.
The bottom gauge is for the approx height of a person at 100 - 200 - 300 - 400 meters.

There are others for other cartridge types out there.
The one used in the Dragonov sniper rifle is a bit more complex, but is the same idea.
 
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Canadian Hunter,

There are some varminting-specific reticules out there; Zeiss and NightForce come to mind, but I'm sure some lower-end scopes offer them as well if these are beyond your budget. They have provisions for ranging and hold-over specific to varmint-sized animals.

"Varmint"; I can't help but hear Yosemite Sam say that word in my head any time I come accross reading it.
 
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