Do I need a trigger lock?

In regards to the "store with ammo"/" store loaded" issue.

As stated above you can store ammo with your firearms in a proper receptical (their definition of proper) However, as pointed out in a thread a couple of days ago, you may only load where you are permitted to discharge the firearm.

To me (non lawyer kinda guy, no legal advice here) that means you could transport your pistol in the same container as your loaded mags, but could not have that mag in the mag well.

Seeing as we don't live in a rational society anymore, I carry the two separately even though to date I've never been stopped/checked.
 
Could you, please, clarify this for me?
1. Can I place a loaded mag next to my semi-auto in a gun vault?
2. Is it legal to load the cylinder of a revolver, then place the revolver with the open cylinder in a gun vault?
My belief is that both firearms are in use as long as I am somewhere in the residence. Thanks.
 
Read this thread http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39190

And notice my set-up on page, this is where and how I mounted my 'safe/vault' and notice, not trigger lock and presence of charged mags...

Ok, I have decided where to put it, just gotta make sure there is stable backing for some large screws....

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Enough room for gun, 2 mags, SureFire and some valuables, will probably build a small devider to 'organize' it a bit better. Might also leave the gun in a paddle holster, grab, tuck and go....
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Yes Sir, I was a bit pissed, they originally were $29.99 but I missed the small print that said "This weekend only' and ended up paying the $59.99. Well worth the piece of mind, now it is close at hand....
 
texdores said:
Could you, please, clarify this for me?
1. Can I place a loaded mag next to my semi-auto in a gun vault?
2. Is it legal to load the cylinder of a revolver, then place the revolver with the open cylinder in a gun vault?
My belief is that both firearms are in use as long as I am somewhere in the residence. Thanks.
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1. Yes, you can argue that the magazine is a "ammo holder" and the ammo is not attached to the firearm.
2. No, The cylinder is part of the firearm, therefore, if you place shells into the cylinder it is considered loaded.
 
Thanks Trubluscrew.
So having the loaded cylinder open or closed makes no difference. Might as well close it or store the ammon in a speed loader. But, what is the interpretation re having a loaded firearm in a residence( in a vault of course) whilst present in that residence? Can one not argue that said revolver, say, is in use? Which it is IMHO. I realize that it is illegal to have a loaded firearm in a residence, yet, like on the range you load a firearm in order to use it and here too it is loaded because it is in use. I read about a case where a chap was charged with keeping a loaded gun in a house, but the case was dismissed when the lawyer argued that said gun was "in use".
 
I'm not sure of the exact government wording; but it is unlawful to have a loaded firearm, unless it is legal to discharge it in that area.

So a loaded handgun at a authorized range is legal, since it is legal to discharge the handgun at that location. A loaded handgun in your house is illegal because it is illegal to discharge it in your house (and or property).

As to the case you are refering to; I have no idea of the circumstance. Was it a long arm? I to be honest, cannot fathom any idea why a loaded firearm is in the house (unless one is chasing a burgler, and even that, I would use a bat or ASP). Under the storage regulations (from the PAL courses--both restricted and non-restricted), the first condition is "Firearm must be unloaded"
 
trubluscrew said:
I'm not sure of the exact government wording; but it is unlawful to have a loaded firearm, unless it is legal to discharge it in that area.

So a loaded handgun at a authorized range is legal, since it is legal to discharge the handgun at that location. A loaded handgun in your house is illegal because it is illegal to discharge it in your house (and or property).

As to the case you are refering to; I have no idea of the circumstance. Was it a long arm? I to be honest, cannot fathom any idea why a loaded firearm is in the house (unless one is chasing a burgler, and even that, I would use a bat or ASP). Under the storage regulations (from the PAL courses--both restricted and non-restricted), the first condition is "Firearm must be unloaded"
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a bat? what's wrong witha glock? :D
 
I believe in the "use of force" wheel thingy that the cops use. If an unarmed or knife weiling person attempts to attack me (or family). I would use equal force +1. ie bat.
If the person was comming after me with a bat, he would get a chest full of 00 buck or .45 (cause the're easier to get to then the bear spray). But to chase someone, means that they are running away and no longer a threat to you or your family, so I can justify a bat (used to subdue and restrain until proper authorities arrive). Well it sounds go anyway.

By not using a firearm, it skirts the firearms laws, which were "supposedly" their to protect us. I would rather get charged for assulting a criminal while protecting myself and family, then getting charged with unlawful storage, use, discharge of a firearm and anything else the crown can think of that is gun related.

Now, my disclaimer. One's gotta do what one's gotta do; so if push comes to shove and 'ol Betsy is handy, she just might come out for some play time. I just hope I never have to get into a situation like that.
 
"Now, my disclaimer. One's gotta do what one's gotta do; so if push comes to shove and 'ol Betsy is handy, she just might come out for some play time"

THere ya go. It's hard to beleive that a burglar armed with a knife will be runing away from you, unless the fcuker discovered something sinister pointing at his head/chest area. Wel, I say don't make running an option. He's facing you, he's got a knife, you got old Betsy out, self defence, bad guy lost a testicle or two, end of story.
 
No, The cylinder is part of the firearm, therefore, if you place shells into the cylinder it is considered loaded.
Would argue if the cylinder was not on the gun as with single actions. Its just another part not controled.
Frank
 
He's facing you, he's got a knife, you got old Betsy out, self defence, bad guy lost a testicle or two, end of story.
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How'd that happen? Remember Center Mass, that is what LE is taught, that is what you should use. The reasoning of "Why didn't you just shoot him in the leg" mentality should not be embraced, LE/Mil etc shoot center mass if they need to justify using DF, why would you do anything different, the same rules apply to you as them....besides, anything else is just foolish, I would not want to be sued by some rubby that had broken into my house for loss of testicles, no witness is best!!
 
Levi Garrett said:
No, The cylinder is part of the firearm, therefore, if you place shells into the cylinder it is considered loaded.
Would argue if the cylinder was not on the gun as with single actions. Its just another part not controled.
Frank
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Just keep a few speed loaders right there....
 
echo4lima said:
How'd that happen? Remember Center Mass, that is what LE is taught, that is what you should use. The reasoning of "Why didn't you just shoot him in the leg" mentality should not be embraced, LE/Mil etc shoot center mass if they need to justify using DF, why would you do anything different, the same rules apply to you as them....besides, anything else is just foolish, I would not want to be sued by some rubby that had broken into my house for loss of testicles, no witness is best!!
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hehe point well taken. maybe a follow up shot to the testicles AFTER centre mass...:rolleyes:
 
Thanks Trubluscrew. None of us would ever hope to be in a situation where we would have to resort to firearms as a last resort. But the reality is that there are home invasions(last one happened here 2 weeks ago, where the scum made the residents lie under a blanket while they were robbing the home, one invader was said to be standing guard, armed with the ubiquitous baseball bat, over the 3 people under the blanket). I pay for car and home insurance I believe in safety insurance as well. Also individual circumstances vary and when you live far from LE detachments and are a senior with arthritis, swinging a baseball bat would not be my first choice, if you get my drift. BTW, the case I was referring to involved a handgun not a long arm. If there were an armed home invasion where would you be with your baseball bat anyway?
 
In my house, a bat, ASP or hockey stick is easier to get to then my toys; my toys are in the basement, in which one has to go into a closet for access. Don't ask, I didn't-I was afraid of the answer; the house is 200+ years old (dang ol farmers).

Besides, I got a primitive security system: an outside dog, an inside dog and a attack goose. Seriously, the goose raises holy He11 when someone comes up the driveway and chases people he doesn't know around the yard. It's funny to see. But dang, does it hurt, when he bites.
 
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