do you take the shot?

[7mmlefty]

Good recovery stubble.
We have way too many miles to cover every day and dont have a chance to fiddle around.
So in Western Canada the best way to present big bucks for the guns is to kick them out of the sloughs.

It is a lot of work but man is it worth it.

There are plenty of good bucks that would never be seen by man if they were not rousted out.

 

[stubblejumper]

There are plenty of good bucks that would never be seen by man if they were not rousted out.

More like,not seen by you!
Some people do spend time scouting,and even go as far as using trail cams.They see many deer that other people may never see because of their methods.

So in Western Canada the best way to present big bucks for the guns is to kick them out of the sloughs.

If you never bother to learn to hunt using different methods than yes it is the best way.And it is still the best way to create the most misses,and the most wounded deer.

 

[7mmlefty]

Grizzlypeg,

They dont stop running till the Saskatchewan border.

Then they stop and wiggle their ears. Rifle season doesn't open till the next week over there and they seem to know it.

 

[7mmlefty]

Dont go to the wounded deer idea again there stubby,
I told you before there are no losses, and only full recovery of all animals in short order.

We are very efficient hunters in Manitoba where everyone is paying attention and on the alert.

We try and shoot the old bucks, and leave the young and the does.

The young apprentice hunters are the exception, they can shoot what they feel as they have little experience.

 

[CROWCA]

It always interests me that we should all hunt the same way,If you want to shoot at running deer go ahead it is your choice,if you want to wait in a tree go ahead wait for the perfect shot.Why does some one always want to be the ethics police for every one.We always say its a humane kill we want.If we were truly worried about the welfare of the animals we hunt, we certainly would not want to kill them in the first place.As for being labeled as a nut,I love to hunt and kill and the animals welfare cannot be brought into any hunting situation,because as stated above if you really cared you would not kill it in the first place.#### storm coming soon.

 

[stubblejumper]

I told you before there are no losses, and only full recovery of all animals in short order.

Right,all are instant kills,and all are recovered within minutes.
And all shots that aren't instant kills are clean misses.

 

[RobSmith]

If that thing I think I see in the background is a deer, nope, wouldn't take that one.

So, here is a typical scene where I gun hunt for deer, and when I say 50 yards, that is the absolute maximum distance that you can see. Typically, deer are shot 20 yards or less, and moving, Smartly.

 

[stubblejumper]

If we were truly worried about the welfare of the animals we hunt, we certainly would not want to kill them in the first place.As for being labeled as a nut,I love to hunt and kill and the animals welfare cannot be brought into any hunting situation,because as stated above if you really cared you would not kill it in the first place.

You can truly respect an animal and still kill it.However,if you truly respect it,you will do your best to insure a quick clean kill.I could care less just how you provide that quick, clean kill,but I do know from experience that the odds are,that the more shots that are fired to fill your tags,the greater the chance of an animal being wounded or made to suffer unnecessarily due to a poorly placed shot.It's simple math,the hunter that averages one or two shots per tag filled,will miss or wound less animals than the hunter that averages four or five shots per tag filled.And the odds say that all of the shots that aren't clean kills,aren't going to be clean misses either.Some shots will be either misses or clean kills,but some will be neither.

 

[CROWCA]

I did not state respecting the animal,do you feel you are causing stress to the animal when you shoot it ,or do you feel they cant feel pain?I am not an animal rights nut, but I would be the first hunter out of the bush if the animals have guns,because I bet it hurts like hell when we shoot them.So all I was saying as hunters we are really not all that concerned about the welfare of our quarry,if we really were ,we would not shoot them in the first place. If we are trying to show respect to the animals by shooting holes in them,would leaving them alone not be better? The bottom line is killing is a rush,thats why we do it.

 

[stubblejumper]

The bottom line is killing is a rush,thats why we do it.

Perhaps for you.If that was the case for all of us,we would buy every tag that we legally could so that we could kill even more animals.I don't buy supplementary tags or antlerless deer tags,even though I could easily fill them.I don't buy bear tags,because I don't have a use for another rug,and don't particularly enjoy the meat.Instead I spend my time trying to find the largest mature buck ,bull,or ram that I can,to make hunting more of a challenge.I will take an antlerless elk though,since I very much enjoy the meat.And if I don't find the buck,bull or ram that I seek,I will let my tag go unfilled,rather than shoot a smaller animal or a doe.Hunting is also enjoyable for the opportunity to spend time in the field with friends and family.The killing is just the conclusion to the whole experience.

 

[senior]

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[senior]

MODS: I'd like to call attention to post number 45

"I shoot as soon as the leaves rustle. I usually take a few shots with the .308 then move on the the 9mm hardball for safeties sake."

If you check out his aviator you must question why he's here, & this kind of reply seems to be common from him!

 

[CROWCA]

When you have that mature Animal in your sites,make your shot,put down the animal.There is no rush of adrenaline ,your heart rate stays the same as if you are sitting on the couch ,no excitement at all?????.If there was no excitement at all in the kill why bother.I am getting this thread away from the intended post,may bee a new one is needed.As for how we hunt if 500 tags were available and some one could fill them and use the meat why would that bother you,you have your way of hunting and others have theres.There does not have to be a right or wrong just choices.As for bear hunting never ever shot one don't care to,but if some one wants to shoot one every year with there purchased of a tag why would it mater ,the animal could be a personal trophy to them.Another thought, put up my whole post not just the last line,the papers do that to take what someone said and twist it around to make that person look stupid.On deer hunting I shoot the youngest one I can find they make the very finest eating.Horns make poor soup.

 

[7.62mm]

So I guess we now have come to the crux of the thread. The "Meat" hunters and the "Trophy" hunters, personally, I am a meat hunter. I live most of the year from the Venison, Ducks, Geese, Rabbits, Turkey and various other Game that I harvest. I am the furthest thing from a Trophy hunter that one could find. Yes I will take a Big Buck if I get the chance, no doubt about it, but anything that I legally have a tag or license for, is hunted to the best of my abitities.

Everyone has their own ideas as to what is ethical or not. Ethics has little to do with what is legal. It is shameful to try and force your ethics or morals, or beliefs or whatever on to someone else. Different parts of the country have different methods of hunting, different groups of people have different methods, as long is it is safe and legal, it is all good in my books.

If one wants to go ahead and only go after "Trophy" animals be my guest. The game that I take, are all trophies to me, and I enjoy eating them all. Pass the mashed potatoes please!

Oh yes, and I still get a "Rush" when I harvest any game animal. I will quit hunting when the hunt no longer excites me. Not likely to happen in the near future

 

[CROWCA]

Well said.

 

[captonion]

WHAT 7.62mm SAID!!!!!!!

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Well put 7.62.
As any hunter in the thick stuff of Northern Ontario knows, the shots presented, could be standing, but more often, they will be very close, very short of time to do, and running, or bounding.
As rick teal put it a while back, if I didn't take running shots, I might as well leave my guns at home.

 

[.Ben]

So, here is a typical scene where I gun hunt for deer, and when I say 50 yards, that is the absolute maximum distance that you can see. Typically, deer are shot 20 yards or less, and moving, Smartly.

ahh yes exactly what im used to seeing you have a split second to shoulder, aim, and decide whether the shot has a chanceof making the target.

 

[7mmlefty]

Good to read on you're thoughts on running shots at game fellas.

Kind of reminds me of shooting at a flying duck or goose.

If we didn't have them flying, moving targets, we wouldn't eat duck.

My ethics question for stubble jumper is, Why use a 300 Rem RUM for big game?
Are you trying to cheat and shoot at unspeakable ranges, how much wounding at extreme long range do you do? on property you dont have permission for. Are you too lazy to walk a few miles?.

Most sensible hunters use 243 Win on through to 30-06 for normal closer range big game work, for deer to moose.

If you have to shoot a moose size or larger, more dangerous animal at relative close range( inside 200 yds), most ethical hunters would bump up the caliber to a .338 Win on up to a 45-70 or some other game respecting caliber.

Why do you use a 300 RUM? Are you trying to cheat, Mr Ethics Stubby .

 

[Lefty Dick]

.Yet he feels that it is perfectly ethical to take any shot that presents itself,because that is how you get practice and become a better shot.

What are your thoughts?

I think the poster is a blithering idjit,
There are all sorts of ways to get practice, even on moving targets, but lets not let logic and sound judgement interfer with the posters "wonderful world."