Does buying powder requires PAL?

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Hey guys! I was in very uncomfortable situation today, and i feel guilty for not knowing 100% status on powder. I work at a gunstore and i had an older gentleman come in to buy a mag for 858 and some AA powder, i never saw him before, and i asked to show me PAL when he asked why I replied that it's powder i to the best of my knowledge it's a "component" and i have to ask (last thing i wanted to see after him walking out RCMP (or who ever) come in and do "schooling" to the store), he said he will not show it on principle (witch i do respect and i wish more people were like that, the world be a better place) and that there is now law regulating sale of powder. I know that bullets, mags, AR uppers, barrels are non-controlled and do not require licence to be purchased, but in my mind primers, power and brass always were, so i never mentioned anything about the mag witch i later sold to him. Being in doubts i went around the store and asked co-workers they weren't sure but were the same opinion as me about not selling it with out a licence. It was hard call for me. My conversation with the man went he had never had to show it at other places in town and that they only wrote his address in a book at one, and i my experience in the same places were different and i always been asked for a pal when buying powder (though i still look like 17 year old especially when i shave), and so i shared with him, so as it seem to me he wasnt 100% sure in his words either and backed down disappointly saying i can put it away and he'll just get the mag. At as he was leaving i promised him i'll find out about this, and if it indeed does not require licence to purchase i'll never asked anyone for it again when selling the powder, his reply was something like: "who cares" :( but not something i could reply "I do". Please anyone can put some light on this, what ever the answer is it would make my day better.:(
 
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The components for manufacturing ammunition (brass, bullets, powder, primers, etc.) do not require a license for their purchase.

There are also currently no legal limits on the quantity of purchases. If you want to buy 50 lbs of powder or 50,000 primers, go ahead.

I have never been asked to show I.D for Primer or Powder purchase.(or Brass/Bullets)
 
dido .. i buy powder, primers, bullets in AB and SK at a lot of different places. Never been asked for PAL/RPAL. Cabelas did have me fill out Department of Natural Resources form (requiring name address etc) when I purchased powder.
 
The person to ask is your boss.

Why? Your employer's business license might have a condition attached to it (by the CFO) that imposes a greater duty (in such matters) than that imposed by the letter of the Firearm Act.

Your boss should know.

Firearms Act (S.C. 1995, c. 39)

Authorization to transfer ammunition to individuals​

25. A person may transfer ammunition that is not prohibited ammunition to an individual only if the individual

(a) until January 1, 2001, holds a licence authorizing him or her to possess firearms or a prescribed document; or

(b) after January 1, 2001, holds a licence authorizing him or her to possess firearms.

<http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/page-8.html>
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All WSS I have been to as well as Phoenix Indoor range in Edmonton record your info for powder purchases. I haven't been to either since to buy any. You should have seen what I wrote when I bought some AA #5 at phoenix. Clerk obviously wasn't paying any attention. What a waste of time, at least it was good for a laugh.
 
Eluoci said:
Hey guy! Into very uncomfortable situation today, and i feel guilty for not knowing 100% status on powder. I work at a gunstore and i had an older gentleman come in to buy a mag for 858 and some AA powder, i never saw him before, and i asked to show me PAL when he asked why I replied that it's powder i to the best of my knowledge it's a "component" and i have to ask (last thing i wanted to see after him walking out RCMP (or who ever) come in and do "schooling" to the store), he said he will not show it on principle (witch i do respect and i wish more people were like that, the world be a better place) and that there is now law regulating sale of powder. I know that bullets, mags, AR uppers, barrels are non-controlled and do not require licence to be purchased, but in my mind primers, power and brass always were, so i never mentioned anything about the mag witch i later sold to him. Being in doubts i went around the store and asked co-workers they weren't sure but were the same opinion as me about not selling it with out a licence. It was hard call for me. My conversation with the man went he had never had to show it at other places in town and that they only wrote his address in a book at one, and i my experience in the same places were different and i always been asked for a pal when buying powder (though i still look like 17 year old especially when i shave), and so i shared with him, so as it seem to me he wasnt 100% sure in his words either and backed down disappointly saying i can put it away and he'll just get the mag. At as he was leaving i promised him i'll find out about this, and if it indeed does not require licence to purchase i'll never asked anyone for it again when selling the powder, his reply was something like: "who cares" :( but not something i could reply "I do". Please anyone can put some light on this, what ever the answer is it would make my day better.:(
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Oh. You're that kid. - dan ;)
 
Iron Glove said:
Who's asking - Ive never been asked for components ???
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WSS Langley, Hub Sports, Chwk. Dart & Tackle, to name a few...
None of the above record any info, the clerk simply looks at it.
When I worked in a gun shop years ago the only thing we had to record were the names of people purchasing pepper spray because of the robberies and other incidents involving same.
 
Again, people in the industry not knowing the rules, assuming that you MUST require some kind of control, so they make up their own rules in addition to the crappy ones we have now.
I have just about had enough of people assuming they know the law and then telling me I am breaking it when the hunting rifle in my truck is sitting on the seat beside me, unloaded, but without trigger lock installed and not in its case. Or telling me that I cannot hunt in a particular area because there are houses within that 9 square kilometers.

OP,
as a responsible employee, you should know the rules imposed by our government and those imposed by company policy. You should also question company policy that exceeds the law and try to change it using your knowledge of facts and truth to teach others,
 
rookie wildcat said:
OP,
as a responsible employee, you should know the rules imposed by our government and those imposed by company policy.
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Strikes me that that's precisely what he's trying to do - educate himself.

So far as I can tell, components are not 'ammunition' and there are no federal requirements to show a PAL when buying them. There was a great hoo-raw in Ontario a year or two ago - a senior member of the OPP announced his concerns that gang members could get ammo without problem by making it with uncontrolled components. (Please, let's not go into the stupidity inherent in that on about six different levels. I mention it only as evidence that the controls are not required.)

Now, that doesn't stop a province, a municipality or a company from imposing their own requirements. There may be a possible legal challenge to a provincial law or a municipal bylaw, but that would be for the courts to decide and I've given up predicting or expecting common sense from that angle. As to a company, well, a gun store would be perfectly within its rights to demand all customers wear a tie to be allowed entry; they wouldn't last long, but they can do it if they wish.
 
Kevan said:
WSS Langley, Hub Sports, Chwk. Dart & Tackle, to name a few...
None of the above record any info, the clerk simply looks at it.
When I worked in a gun shop years ago the only thing we had to record were the names of people purchasing pepper spray because of the robberies and other incidents involving same.
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Wow. :eek:
Reliable, Italian and Budget are where I buy my stuff and have never been asked for a PAL. :confused:
Maybe because I'm a 60 year old Fudd. :D
 
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