Does Nobody Want Keltec RFB's Anymore??????

beltfed said:
That is an understatement if I've ever heard one.




2 moa you say? With what and how far? Three rounds at 100yards? Have you shot it further than that, say 300m or more?



...and other stuff...like poor reliability and constant ftf and fte (although some of this could be attributed to mags, but I doubt all 12 in the case I witnessed).
I have shot one, and was not impressed. Once you get beyond the size (the only admirable thing it has going for it, aside from taking FN mags) you realize it is: (@ +$2500) considerably more money, less accurate and less reliable than a box-stock $400 Norinco M305.

I'm all for cool new guns, and whatever floats your boat, etc. but the RFB is a doggy. Buyer beware IMHO.
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you do realize that the gun has to be tuned to the ammo you are using. to get the best accuracy the Gas system needs to be tuned to your ammo. when you switch it will need to be done again. lower the gas system to the point it will just cycle the firearm and that is about where it will shoot best as it wont be slammed around as hard.
 
I like mine. No jams or reliability issues.

Front eject and Tavor length are nice. Hold it next to an AR10 or XCR-M and the size advantage is very clear.

The RFB is the only Kel-Tec product Ive been interested in. I do agree it's expensive for what it is but that seems to be true in Canada for anything other than the AR15 and even that has taken a big price jump lately.

I like mine and will be keeping it.
 
Well I will put my 2 cents in on this for what it is worth.

I really like my RFB.

It is a compact, well balanced rifle, and for me reliability has not been an issue at all. I can recall only one failure to feed in about 400 rounds.

MOA rifle it is not, nor was it marketed as such. Mine has been a solid 2MOA rifle out of the box with bulk ammo. Furthest I have bothered shooting it is at 200 yards. Past that I have purpose built rifles, this is my go to close quarters 7.62 platform aside from my XCR-M.

Any questions? I would be happy to answer them to the best of my abilities.
 
I want an RFB... I just have better uses for my money at the moment. Are the mags as hard to find as it seems? I don't see FAL mags up in the EE very often and almost never for what I would consider a fair price.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
An older gent at Silverdale had one out and shooting last few times i was there....Easy 1MOA at 100 yards with off the shelf ammo. Gun felt very sturdy.....i liked it, but i'm a lefty so Bullpups kinda suck for me and i'm a cheap bastard....lol.
Of all the Keltec stuff thats probably the only firearm i'd actually want to own...maybe the SU-16 right after that.
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Why do front ejecting Bullpups suck for lefties???
 
TeeJay said:
I call BS on this statement as well . I own one and love it. Not one single issue with several thousand rounds through it. Very accurate out to 300 yards and beyond.
My RFB is the last gun I would ever consider selling.
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I have been wanting to find someone who had a high round count in theirs. Any chance you could post a couple pics of the wear on the bolt, and anywhere else? I have been thinking of getting one for a while, but would like to see how they hold up first.
 
beltfed said:
That is an understatement if I've ever heard one.




2 moa you say? With what and how far? Three rounds at 100yards? Have you shot it further than that, say 300m or more?



...and other stuff...like poor reliability and constant ftf and fte (although some of this could be attributed to mags, but I doubt all 12 in the case I witnessed).
I have shot one, and was not impressed. Once you get beyond the size (the only admirable thing it has going for it, aside from taking FN mags) you realize it is: (@ +$2500) considerably more money, less accurate and less reliable than a box-stock $400 Norinco M305.

I'm all for cool new guns, and whatever floats your boat, etc. but the RFB is a doggy. Buyer beware IMHO.
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You ever owned one?

I got mine down to 5 shot 1.5" groups at 100 meters and repeated. Pretty sure I had the first one in consumer hands in Canada. I never had any problems with it.
 
I have never (nor will I ever) owned one.
My personal use and experience was limited to one afternoon, and while I concede it is far from exhaustive it was enough to give it a shakedown - I'd summarize it with the feeling they are an expensive $600 rifle. If I had my druthers, and our laws weren't as they are I'd take a well worn FAL or M14 over a brand new RFB in a heartbeat.
I'm also very certain the RFB isn't a consistent moa or 1.5 moa performer - and that's ok, I get that it was likely never meant to perform beyond what it's capable of ( I think it's an honest 4 moa gun - imho). Your 5 round group printing 1.5" is a good indication of MPI.
Sorry to those of you that think I've called your pride and joy a POS - it isn't personal.
 
A $2500 rifle that is only capable of 2 MOA. What's not to like about that. :eek:

I'm loving the guys defending the RFB as being accurate cause they shot it out to 200 yds. That may impress you but it doesn't cut it for me. My box stock $500 Savage prints consistent 5/8" five shot groups and i had it smacking grapefruit sized rocks at 700 yds. THAT is what I call performance for money.

I really wanted to like the RFB. I think it is a cool looking rifle and a neat concept but it don't work and that is all that matters. That it is ludicrously expensive on top of crap performance is the final nail in the coffin for me.
 
I am not so much defending it, (As I tend not to care for such internet argument) as pointing out that you are comparing apples to oranges.

You are comparing a high quality budget bolt action (with what I assume to be a telescopic sight and either quality ammo or reloads taylored to the gun for your claimed 5/8 MOA) to a short bulpup semi .308 that is using an Eotech as the optic. (In my case using cheap PMC .308, not exactly lapua quality ammo here)

You can trash or defend the gun all you want, but honestly, compare it to a similar platform. If you are comparing accuracy, I am sure you can get hundreds or more accurate .308 rifles, however the rifle was not built for it, and did not advertise as such. It is a short firearm that packs a serious punch that is designed for close range shooting.

The price is also substantially higher in Canada due to import fees and such, so compare it how you want, but compare it to a similar class of firearm at the very least.

Just my .02.

Suputin said:
A $2500 rifle that is only capable of 2 MOA. What's not to like about that. :eek:

I'm loving the guys defending the RFB as being accurate cause they shot it out to 200 yds. That may impress you but it doesn't cut it for me. My box stock $500 Savage prints consistent 5/8" five shot groups and i had it smacking grapefruit sized rocks at 700 yds. THAT is what I call performance for money.

I really wanted to like the RFB. I think it is a cool looking rifle and a neat concept but it don't work and that is all that matters. That it is ludicrously expensive on top of crap performance is the final nail in the coffin for me.
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Suputin said:
A $2500 rifle that is only capable of 2 MOA. What's not to like about that. :eek:

I'm loving the guys defending the RFB as being accurate cause they shot it out to 200 yds. That may impress you but it doesn't cut it for me. My box stock $500 Savage prints consistent 5/8" five shot groups and i had it smacking grapefruit sized rocks at 700 yds. THAT is what I call performance for money.

I really wanted to like the RFB. I think it is a cool looking rifle and a neat concept but it don't work and that is all that matters. That it is ludicrously expensive on top of crap performance is the final nail in the coffin for me.
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It works fine. You're comparing a semi auto chrome lined non match barreled semi auto to a bolt gun? WTF? Also 1.5 Moa is realistic. It's accuracy is pretty much the same as any semi auto with an ordinarly run of the mil chrome lined barrel. Granted tweaking the gas system to the round is required.

Yes it's expensive. But what other none restricted semi auto bull pup in 308 is there?

There's no need to "defend" this rifle. It's unique and it works.

The only actual flaws with it are the mag release location doesn't allow fast reloads and the price is high. Otherwise it's a lot of fun. Especially for off hand shooting which is where bullpups excel.
 
It shoot fine, did try one at the club, one will make it's way to my home eventually, but i guess, i will buy a Swiss green Classic with diopter before, just to make it beside my Black special ( those Swiss are something else )... JP.
 
I would not spit on Keltec products, cheap on the outside but pretty reliable, my S-2000 9mm is a keeper... JP.
 
Another actual OWNER here with more than "an afternoons" actual EXPERIENCE with the gun....and just like everyone else who actually owns one: I really like the gun. It's taken several deer and bears, is a DREAM to carry in the thick stuff, smashes the 6" gong out to 300 and packs a hell of a punch into a tiny package. One of my favourites for hunting :)
 
the kel-tec rfb is a rugged bad boy, the action where it is by your face there is 2 plates on each side to protect the shooter. and it comes down to ammo, one guy i know called it a piece of #### the whole nine yards. but he was using crap surplus ammo and gumming up the gun. it is a well built gun and nice balance to it and there are 2 styles carbine or the hunter. i have done my home work or this gun.
 
Kevin M. said:
I am not so much defending it, (As I tend not to care for such internet argument) as pointing out that you are comparing apples to oranges.

You are comparing a high quality budget bolt action (with what I assume to be a telescopic sight and either quality ammo or reloads taylored to the gun for your claimed 5/8 MOA) to a short bulpup semi .308 that is using an Eotech as the optic. (In my case using cheap PMC .308, not exactly lapua quality ammo here)

You can trash or defend the gun all you want, but honestly, compare it to a similar platform. If you are comparing accuracy, I am sure you can get hundreds or more accurate .308 rifles, however the rifle was not built for it, and did not advertise as such. It is a short firearm that packs a serious punch that is designed for close range shootin

The price is also substantially higher in Canada due to import fees and such, so compare it how you want, but compare it to a similar class of firearm at the very least.

Just my .02.
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here in fredericton they are selling for 2710, and yes you are right they do not advertise as a 1 moa or a sub moa long range gun. 50-100 yard that would be about it. unless you have the hunter a little longer barrel on it
 
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