Does Nobody Want Keltec RFB's Anymore??????

I will reiterate, the benefits of it being an action firearm in the bush are awesome.

I had two grand. I wanted a short, maneuverable non-restricted firearm in .308. Sold as soon as they arrived up here.

168gr Win Ballistic Silvertips ranged 1MOA-2MOA at 100yards with a short Harris bipod and depending on conditions/if I bagged the magazine. Optics 3x9 Trijicon Accupoint with green chevron.

I have had zero FTF. zero FTE. No mag issues with either FAL Metals nor RRA polymers.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but my real world experience (so far) shows no issues whatsoever.

First deer - 135 yards broadside chasing a doe. One shot.

Second deer - 113 yards quartering towards me at alert. One shot.

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I first shot one at Silverdale about half a year ago. I fell in love with it at first sight. Saved for about 6 months and got very lucky on the EE and purchased it. I had it for a couple of months and just realized it was too much money for me for what it was. My specific rifle was not fully reliable (including adjusting the gas) and the fact that the rifle did not go bang every time, while only shooting it at Silverdale range. I personally wouldn't trust my life with it and that was the reason I decided to trade the rifle for an awesome AR180b :D and cash. The rifle is still gorgeous and I do love shooting other people's RFB, but in the end it just wasnt for me.
 
I can't believe there are any RFB's that ever hit the shelf unless there was a bunch on cancellations. We have a fairly long back order list for RFB's (and way longer for KSG's) and can never imagine when I would have one extra to put on display. I personaly want an RFB (and KSG) but I can't take one in good faith while I have such a long back order list. Phil.
 
Trash Talk RFB

Interesting that the trashers are those who really haven't any experience with the RFB.

Those that praise it have had experience with it.

Says a lot about human nature -

Any way - the RFB isnt a half MOA bolt operated long pole to navigate through the bush -

Its a 1 MOA semi auto pistol that doesn't need to be navigated through the bush - Whats wrong with that ?
Seems worth the extra sheckles to me.

Haters gotta hate.

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BTW I REALLLLLYYYYY want one. The MSRP on them is a bit steep though.. Can anyone point me to some links that contain prices on these?
 
You are comparing a high quality budget bolt action (with what I assume to be a telescopic sight and either quality ammo or reloads taylored to the gun for your claimed 5/8 MOA) to a short bulpup semi .308 that is using an Eotech as the optic. (In my case using cheap PMC .308, not exactly lapua quality ammo here)

You can trash or defend the gun all you want, but honestly, compare it to a similar platform. If you are comparing accuracy, I am sure you can get hundreds or more accurate .308 rifles, however the rifle was not built for it, and did not advertise as such. It is a short firearm that packs a serious punch that is designed for close range shooting.
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I've got a 10" barreled 300 Blackout that is a sub MOA rifle. It is easily as short and compact as an RFB and within the effective range of an RFB, just as lethal. My Blackout also cost about half the price of an RFB.


Interesting that the trashers are those who really haven't any experience with the RFB.

Those that praise it have had experience with it.

Says a lot about human nature -
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Or maybe those who are unimpressed with the RFB have higher accuracy standards than those who are happy with a $2500, 2 MOA rifle?

Having spent the money you have a built in need to justify the expenditure as that is easier emotionally than admitting you got suckered and spent a great deal of money on an inferior product. It is called "Post-Purchase Rationalization" - Don't worry, it is just human nature. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization

Post-purchase rationalization, also known as Buyer's Stockholm Syndrome, is a cognitive bias whereby someone who purchases an expensive product or service overlooks any faults or defects in order to justify their purchase. It is a special case of choice-supportive bias.

Expensive purchases often involve a lot of careful research and deliberation, and many consumers will often refuse to admit that their decision was made in poor judgement. Many purchasing decisions are made emotionally, based on factors such as brand-loyalty and advertising, and so are often rationalized retrospectively in an attempt to justify the choice.
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P of PDent said:
I can't believe there are any RFB's that ever hit the shelf unless there was a bunch on cancellations. We have a fairly long back order list for RFB's (and way longer for KSG's) and can never imagine when I would have one extra to put on display. I personaly want an RFB (and KSG) but I can't take one in good faith while I have such a long back order list. Phil.
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That's mighty nice of you because every person I know that works at my local shops all scabbed one(KSG) before they got in the hands of their customers. Good on ya Phil.
 
Suputin said:
I've got a 10" barreled 300 Blackout that is a sub MOA rifle. It is easily as short and compact as an RFB and within the effective range of an RFB, just as lethal. My Blackout also cost about half the price of an RFB.




Or maybe those who are unimpressed with the RFB have higher accuracy standards than those who are happy with a $2500, 2 MOA rifle?

Having spent the money you have a built in need to justify the expenditure as that is easier emotionally than admitting you got suckered and spent a great deal of money on an inferior product. It is called "Post-Purchase Rationalization" - Don't worry, it is just human nature. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
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You really don't have a clue....and should probably stop digging that hole.

I don't give a #### if my RFB shoots sub moa...as long as it is a 26" long, non-restricted, semi auto, 308 caliber gun that shoots minute-of-deer-vitals at 100 yards, THAT is what matters. If you can find me another gun that meets the criteria (at any price) post it up. Otherwise? You know what they say about "removing all doubt" and all that ;)
 
I like the concept of the RFB, but my inner voice prevents me from owning anything made by Kel-Tec.

I place them in the same category I put Hi-Point firearms.....

Probably just closed-mindedness on my part.....
 
agilent_one said:
I like the concept of the RFB, but my inner voice prevents me from owning anything made by Kel-Tec.

I place them in the same category I put Hi-Point firearms.....

Probably just closed-mindedness on my part.....
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I thought the same before i've got a S-2000... JP.
 
Kel-Tec means...
Fine for 22's but don't expect them to work in real world canadian enviroments.
Extreme cold and there plastic including rails crack. Extreme heat and the plastic recievers trough any accuracy you might have right out the window.
Just makes me wonder...
Why did the canadian government elect to have plastic bills in this country?
 
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Kel-Tec means...
Fine for 22's but don't expect them to work in real world canadian enviroments.
Extreme cold and there plastic including rails crack. Extreme heat and the plastic recievers trough any accuracy you might have right out the window.
Just makes me wonder...
Why did the canadian government elect to have plastic bills in this country?
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Never handled a rfb huh. Only plastic on it is the buttplate and the covering on the cocking handle.the rest is steel.
 
I owned an rfb for a summer and took it out shooting plenty of times. She is a beauty of a rifle and everthing is solid on it even with some of the plastics. Despite being a bullpup it has an excellent trigger. Sure due to its rail your sight radius is short if you go with any irons on it, but scoped she delivers very well even when standing.

I sold mine for an xcr-l 7.62x39, ONLY reason shes gone is my wallet couldnt handle the volume of shooting i do.

Would love to get another one sometime.
 
you can't make a decision on a rifle like the RFB based on "handling one and shooting it a few times at the range"

first off, of the three RFB's I own/owned, they are all solid 1.5 MOA out of the box (at least out to 200m, beyond that they tend to fall off a bit)

I have had a few FTF/FTE's on 2 of them and I can honestly tell you that it really sucks... there is nothing worse than not being able to see the stoppage because you have to first drop the mag, flip the rifle upside down, then hope you have enough light to see inside to where the problem is. (especially in october on a rainy day, covered in dirt and mud, and wearing gloves.)

when the rifle is properly maintained, you shouldn't have too many issues with FTF/FTE's..I beat the crap out of my RFB's and ran them 800 plus rounds before giving them a clean/lube (in a cold wet muddy environment), and the stoppages didn't start until around the 750 mark.

the trigger is really slick for a bullpup, and the forward eject is outstanding.

the RFB is an excellent little hunting rifle, but I wouldn't suggest buying it if you plan to use it as a precision shooter.

I have a couple of precision .308 bolt actions, an LMT MWS308, M305, and an XCR-M, but i still like to use the RFB for hunting.

haters will always find fault in gear they dont like, even when they have no experience with it.
 
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Suputin said:
I've got a 10" barreled 300 Blackout that is a sub MOA rifle. It is easily as short and compact as an RFB and within the effective range of an RFB, just as lethal. My Blackout also cost about half the price of an RFB.
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Cool!!! You have a non-restricted, semi-auto 300 blackout bullpup that shoots MOA with a 10" barrel???

If you don't then why would you compair the 2 rifles? Apples and oranges.
 
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I have a safe full of sub MOA bolt rifles. My interest in the RFB is for entirely different application, as I suspect it is for most actual RFB owners. MOA deer/elk/moose vitals out to 200-300 yards is more than good enough for me. If I need more precision, I'll reach elsewhere in my collection. Oh by the way, Lanz sold their last RFB this AM:p;):D Any owners want to share their pet loads :rolleyes:?
 
DS owner here - to all who say it isn't accurate you are wrong, just plain wrong, I've seen them shoot sub moa at 100 yds often, with prvi ammo. Sure that is not long distance, but good shooting none the less for a semi auto, bullpup patrol rifle...
Mine has been a great bush gun, has handled all I've thrown at it - and hey how's this...if it's such a pos, you better tell the Israelis, they recently cut a contract for about 50k of them...
 
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