Does one ever need to use the safety in IPSC prod division?

[VanMan]

Mr Cereal
Please note what I put in bold
There is a big difference between "should" and "must"

"Must" implies a required action.
"Should" is more of a suggested best practice, but ultimately up to the competitor.

Yep. I just confirmed this during my RO course a couple of weeks ago. Applying the safety during movement is an optional thing. In the last 2 years of shooting IPSC, I've never seen anyone do it, but apparently some old-timers still do this out of habit.

 

[Freedom Ventures]

...but apparently some old-timers still do this out of habit.

Yeah, that would be this old timer... I don't plan it - it happens automagically... never costs me any extra time though...

 

[VanMan]

Yeah, that would be this old timer... I don't plan it - it happens automagically... never costs me any extra time though...

Now if there was just some way for me to automagically double-tap those A's

 

[EASTVAN#81]

safety only comes into play at chrono for production.

 

[mrclean]

Right, they still have to work, not just at chrony.

 

[Slavex]

yup seen people have to run off to safety areas to fix guns that the safety didn't work on during inspection

 

[Wendell]

...Applying the safety during movement is an optional thing. In the last 2 years of shooting IPSC, I've never seen anyone do it, but apparently some old-timers still do this out of habit.

You'd need pretty good eyesight to 'see' someone whether someone else was or was not using their safety as they sprinted away from you.

I've always assumed that that is the reason that the rulebook uses the word "should"; a "shall" would be virtually impossible to enforce.

 

[VanMan]

You'd need pretty good eyesight to 'see' someone whether someone else was or was not using their safety as they sprinted away from you.

I've always assumed that that is the reason that the rulebook uses the word "should"; a "shall" would be virtually impossible to enforce.

Definitely tricky if it's not an ambi safety. I wonder though as some of the long time shooters actually did get into the habit of using the safety during movement, was the use of the safety mandatory at some point?

 

[Freedom Ventures]

Definitely tricky if it's not an ambi safety. I wonder though as some of the long time shooters actually did get into the habit of using the safety during movement, was the use of the safety mandatory at some point?

You're very close. Sort of. 25 years ago when the BB was taught in this neck of the woods (and we all used 1911s) the movement qualifications required the engagement of the safety to get a passing grade. After passing, I used the safety for about 3 matches before seeing my instructor not use it at one. I asked him why he didn't and he pointed me to the rule book with a big grin. If I've got a big run or I'm doing something weird like moving on a wobbly bridge, I flip on my safety without thought. Since I shoot high-thumb on my 1911/2011s, the safety comes off as I take my next sight picture anyway, so there is loss of time.

 

[Canuck223]

Right, they still have to work, not just at chrony.

{cough} DOA plugs {cough}

 

[mrclean]

Sorry canuck223, if they have a safety, it must be functional.

 

[Slavex]

GP's can use the plugs, it's approved

 

[heavenIsAlie]

GP's can use the plugs, it's approved

when did that change?

 

[Canuck223]

when did that change?

A few years ago. Vinny had a double espresso and realized it was a factory part.

 

[Canuck44]

Lowering the hammer with a decocker or using your thumb, then first shot double action, is mandatory in production
IF your pistol is capable of double action.

It's not possible to activate a safety on a pistol if the hammer or striker isn't cocked.

Ever hold a Beretta 92?

Take Care

Bob

 

[minniehill2]

I'm not aware of any production guns that have no safeties at all.

P320 has no external safety.