Dont trust the 100% trader rating attached to a member avatar.

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vancouverbc said:
For the record, I happily refunded money in the 2 or 3 cases out of 500+ deals that I misrepresented something inadvertently. In this case the buyer was so eager to get the rifle apparently he didnt think to ask any questions. That is squarely on the buyer. Also, had I not been on holidays I would have done the return to help the guy out. But since hes calling me out like this I have to think twice
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Never once called you out. Read the original post...you decided to post here and blow it up.
 
st1264 said:
Communication doesn't seem to be either of the parties strong suit.

If I felt that I bought an item that was misrepresented, a Negative Feedback would be issued. No returns, at your own risk - guess the OP is stuck with an item he thought was a different one.

From the seller's "you didn't ask so I didn't tell you" response, it seems warranted in this case. Skirting the rim of shadiness...

Many people have 100% feedback because others are too scared for retaliation when they post it. However, the seller cannot give the Buyer retaliatory negative feedback.

Usually these threads get locked, so here's hoping there's a resolution.
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Instead of making allegations why not ask details? You are quick to place blame. I took the rifle on a trade myself. I looked over the rifle very carefully, test fired it once and advertised it for trade. I did not look at what model it was I just knew it was a Montana in 270. I didnt even know they had different actions for that same caliber. I dont make these rifles guys im just a humble shooter/hunter.There is not and never has been any funny business on any of my deals thank you. Have a nice day.
 
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Bartledan said:
I've seen cdnshooter and vancouverbc around quite a bit on here over the years, and I wouldnt hesitate to deal with either of them. I might have even done so! :)
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Exactly!

There does not appear to be a direct intent of misrepresentation here. If a buyer is unsure of the model (or series) of a rifle, assumes it's one and it turns out to be another, they fall victim to a lack of inquiry about the item.

It would be at the sellers discretion to offer a refund, but I wouldn't view it as a requirement.

None of this back and forth, or the OP's original stated issue has anything to do with the EE feedback system..........
 
vancouverbc said:
Instead of making allegations why not ask details? You are quick to place blame. I took the rifle on a trade myself. I looked over the rifle very carefully, test fired it once and advertised it for trade. I did not bother to look at the model number on it. There is not and never has been any funny business on any of my deals thank you. Have a nice day.
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Do you always list a firearm with no Model #? Seems like the first thing I would have posted in the title to avoid confusion, but that's just me.

I'm not insinuating purposeful misrepresentation but I try to put as much info and pics on the item to avoid problems like this. It may be why I've never had a problem on the EE, other than a couple non-paying stooges.
 
This has been answered. Ill repeat it for you:

Instead of making allegations why not ask details? You are quick to place blame. I took the rifle on a trade myself. I looked over the rifle very carefully, test fired it once and advertised it for trade. I did not look at what model it was I just knew it was a Montana in 270. I didnt even know they had different actions for that same caliber. I dont make these rifles guys im just a humble shooter/hunter.There is not and never has been any funny business on any of my deals thank you.

And on that note, im done here.
 
vancouverbc said:
This has been answered. Ill repeat it for you:

Instead of making allegations why not ask details? You are quick to place blame. I took the rifle on a trade myself. I looked over the rifle very carefully, test fired it once and advertised it for trade. I did not look at what model it was I just knew it was a Montana in 270. I didnt even know they had different actions for that same caliber. I dont make these rifles guys im just a humble shooter/hunter.There is not and never has been any funny business on any of my deals thank you.

And on that note, im done here.
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I see you are going back and editing all your posts...

vancouverbc said:
Please show me an email where you asked if it was an 84L or an 8400 I would have happily looked and told you. I sell hundreds of guns and cant read your mind. I sent a 270 Montana in mint condition. End of story.
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You looked it over so carefully yet didn't see the Model #?

Sorry, but this looks bad on you. Granted you caught a "live one", but I in good conscience couldn't have done that if I knew it was a cheaper or older rifle (assuming from the buyer's displeasure). Seeing you looked it over so carefully I would assume that you knew, assuming the Model # is etched somewhere on it.

With this, I'll move on. Good luck to you guys, hope you get it settled. I have no stake in this, just reading and interpreting the posts, which many have been edited already.

In the end, it's a 'at your own risk' system and the only tool we have is the iTrader.
 
I started this thread to warn others to look further into a persons feedback for problems instead of just assuming the 100% was the whole story. If I had looked at his negatives I would have been much more cautious...maybe even passing altogether.

And who guesses at an EMT password you haven't been given until you crack it! I was holding that until I could at least look over the pictures that were late in getting to me. Another lesson learned....be creative with your password people.
 
st1264 said:
I see you are going back and editing all your posts...



You looked it over so carefully yet didn't see the Model #?

Sorry, but this looks bad on you. Granted you caught a "live one", but I in good conscience couldn't have done that if I knew it was a cheaper or older rifle (assuming from the buyer's displeasure). Seeing you looked it over so carefully I would assume that you knew, assuming the Model # is etched somewhere on it.

With this, I'll move on. Good luck to you guys, hope you get it settled. I have no stake in this, just reading and interpreting the posts, which many have been edited already.

In the end, it's a 'at your own risk' system and the only tool we have is the iTrader.
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What do you suppose was edited out?
 
I had a similar problem to this this year. I used the trader rating after giving 48 hrs to respond. Sell needed up getting back to me because of the rating, we discussed the situation like a couple of adults and I came to the conclusion that no miss information was intended and was an honest mistake so I removed the negative rating. All is well and no public drama.
 
It's not uncommon for Kimber Montanas to be posted as exactly that: A Kimber Montana. As a buyer, since I'm aware that there are two variations (8400 and 84L), I've asked sellers in the past to clarify what model they were selling --- it's part of my due diligence. Since the seller took this rifle on a trade, I can understand that he may not have been aware of the significance of providing details beyond "Montana", and I wouldn't be quick to think that his lack of disclosure re: the comparison to the price of an 84L indicates an intent to deceive --- again, I'd tend to side with lack of awareness.

To the OP, I understand your disappointment, and while it would have been a nice gesture for the seller to refund your money (less postage), I wouldn't hold it against him if he decided not to. Were I in your shoes, I'd feel that the onus was on my shoulders and take it as a learning experience. I think this is more a case of you burning yourself by not being specific with your questions. Bringing up the issues around the EMT seems like grasping at straws to strengthen your argument.

That's my 2c.
 
As a third party to this transaction, I think both buyer and seller made mistakes.... Seller didn't know what he had, buyer didn't ask pertinent questions.......

A good resolution would be for the buyer to send back the rifle on his dime, and when the rifle arrives, seller should issue refund......


But that's just one man's opinion.....
 
stickhunter said:
It's not uncommon for Kimber Montanas to be posted as exactly that: A Kimber Montana. As a buyer, since I'm aware that there are two variations (8400 and 84L), I've asked sellers in the past to clarify what model they were selling --- it's part of my due diligence. Since the seller took this rifle on a trade, I can understand that he may not have been aware of the significance of providing details beyond "Montana", and I wouldn't be quick to think that his lack of disclosure re: the comparison to the price of an 84L indicates an intent to deceive --- again, I'd tend to side with lack of awareness.

To the OP, I understand your disappointment, and while it would have been a nice gesture for the seller to refund your money (less postage), I wouldn't hold it against him if he decided not to. Were I in your shoes, I'd feel that the onus was on my shoulders and take it as a learning experience. I think this is more a case of you burning yourself by not being specific with your questions. Bringing up the issues around the EMT seems like grasping at straws to strengthen your argument.

That's my 2c.
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Thank you for your comment. He got a darn nice rifle for $1200. If I was not on holidays for the next 3 weeks I would have taken the return amd relisted it. Not out to hurt anyone. My trader rating speaks for itself in that regard. Cheers
 
Well I think I'll be staying away from that guys EE ads! Hell, if I were in that situation and the buyer had it for about a week or so and asked for a refund, no problem. Just send it back and you get your money back, easy peeasy. Is there really all this need for "he siad, she said" kind of stuff?
 
I have seen a trend of guys jumping to post their EE issues in all kinds of forums. Most have been resolved successfully. I have had a few minor problems using EE but that said, I would not post about it before I went through the proper channels if that was needed, which it wasn't.
 
Potshot21 said:
Well I think I'll be staying away from that guys EE ads! Hell, if I were in that situation and the buyer had it for about a week or so and asked for a refund, no problem. Just send it back and you get your money back, easy peeasy. Is there really all this need for "he siad, she said" kind of stuff?
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No there is no need for he said she said stuff.

If I'm in the wrong then so be it, I'll take my lumps. I appologize for where this all went. I really did start it just to point out that 100% doesn't truly show who your dealing with and you need to dig deeper.
 
Superbrad said:
As a third party to this transaction, I think both buyer and seller made mistakes.... Seller didn't know what he had, buyer didn't ask pertinent questions.......

A good resolution would be for the buyer to send back the rifle on his dime, and when the rifle arrives, seller should issue refund......


But that's just one man's opinion.....
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Even that's a risk on here. I was burned on here, the seller - after cursing at me said to return it for a refund. I returned it, only to be threatened and cursed at daily. I later found out when he claimed it was being "checked out" ( by a non existent gunsmith) he had resold it on here. Lucky for me it was only a $90 air pistol.



While we are at it, what's the difference between the 8400 and the 84L? What value difference is there between the two?
 
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