Double Action Snubby

I'm in awe and envy of the range facilities and matches you describe, as I am sure are many others..

I have no photos of many things, like falling plate matches, although I have many photos where you can see the falling plate stations clearly. It's just that during actual plate matches, I'm usually busy and don't have time for taking photos. But here's a shot of my daughter, my wife and a friend's wife practicing on the plate range with their guns (S&W 3904, Glock 19/25 and a Model 14-3 with a Model 14-5 Heavy Barrel and moonclipped Model 64 Cylinder) on one of the plate ranges. We have 4 banks of plates in total on both ranges I believe, San Miguel and Queretaro. There's a small women's team of about 8 to 10 wives, girlfriends or whatever, and they usually shoot as a squad and either R.O. or run scores back and forth to the scoring shack. They do not pay "match fees". They're there. They're working and competing. Generally they're good to look at, and that helps bring out the boys. I'm good with it.
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Likewise, I have no video or photos of our Moving Target ranges (each range is working to have 2, since the Moving Target is a definite "bottle neck" and if we finally aspire to have our Bianchi Cup style match -- The Tequila Cup -- we will need 2 mover ranges to prevent back-ups). But I have videos of us "testing out" the movers, to see what sort of neat stuff we can do with them. I'll see if I can put some up.

Here we were testing an idea to start with a revolver or auto (but I used a revolver to test the idea as it would be the hardest) where you had to draw and shoot two close-range targets twice each, reload, and then stop the "balloon guy" before he reached you. We never used this course, but it was a lot of fun to play with it.

Here was a more simple shoot two targets twice each and hit the balloon mover as it passes but before it disappears. Much fun again.

I have quite a few more. We did a lot of things. I shot at Second Chance and the Bianchi Cup and have seen a lot of ranges and a lot of programs. I like what they're doing in Central Mexico the most. It's sort of hard to join, and sort of hard to get set up, but it's "the real thing" in every possible connotation of the phrase. It's not just a game. And the weather....did I mention the weather? Fantastic.
 
I like that tip of using the finger as a trigger stop.

Could a Canadian vacation in Mexico and bring a revolver or two and join in on some matches?

We have been working for many years now to make both the San Miguel Club and the Queretaro Club capable of hosting a large "Bianchi Cup" style match, which we will call "The Tequila Cup" and seek some sponsorship from the Tequila distillers in the form of prizes, or tours of their operations. Nothing huge. You won't get rich. But it will be fun. We have every intention of inviting friends and interested shooters from afar to participate. Although I can technically arrange to import and export competition guns, all of us feel it is too tricky to try to implement in actual practice. Too much could go wrong.

In the early days of IPSC, people stayed in each other's houses when they travelled for a match. I spent many a night at Ken's or Jamie's or Dale's in Regina when IPSC Manitoba and RAPS were competing together out in Saskatchewan. Murray Gardner stayed at my house when he flew out to Manitoba in the spring of 1980 to give us our first clinic. It was what you did.

We would like to think we can arrange that for the people flying in. Either stay with us, or maybe rent a large house with several rooms and a pool for those disposed to do so. As for the guns, you would see what we have and "borrow" what you like. Our members would try to make time to get you to the range several times with enough practice ammo to "learn your gun" or guns and become comfortable. If that gun doesn't work out, try another.

We would like people to come for a 2 week visit to allow for all this shooting and interaction (and outright partying. This is Mexico, after all, and the party never actually stops). Along the way -- aside from trying to make sure that "one of the boys" always picks people up from the airport and transports them to where they will stay, we would try to arrange tours (at whatever it costs to do it, nobody is planning to earn anything off of this) to the local hotsprings and Colonial Towns around central Mexico and to my favorite tour site, the Pyramids at Teotihuacan just outside of Mexico City.

I have taken so many people to the Pyramids at Teotihuacan over the years I cannot remember them all. I have been up and down that stupid Pyramid of the Sun so many times I have lost count. But I love the place, I know it well and can tell you all about it and what I don't know, I'll make up. You WILL enjoy it. Here, just after my wedding, my wife and son and daughter joined me for a tour of pyramids. "Mom!" the kids explained. "Cal took us through the Mexico City metro system! He really, really knows his way around Mexico City!" They were delighted, because they sure didn't know their way around Mexico City.
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The Hotel I use at the Pyramids when I do tours is the Villas Teotihuacan Hotel SPA, which 25 years ago was a Club Med Hotel. I was taking so many tours down there, they offered me "Tour Guide" rates and hopefully will still do so when I move back in 3 years. I suspect they will. It makes it a little cheaper for the people travelling with me, and basically "comps" my own room. It is right at the end of the "Avenue of the Dead", that street running off into the distance just behind my daughter's left shoulder in the above photo of me and the family.
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It's going to be 3 more years before I move back to Mexico. So figure either 2024 or early 2025 for this to happen. I think the match will be about 150 rounds over 2 days, and I would hope to have 80 to 100 competitors. The rough "match bulletin" would be:

60 rounds fired in the San Miguel/Queretaro PPC over ranges 1, 2, and 3. Targets SaMQro B-18's, 600 points possible.
48 rounds fired in the Falling Plate event, 8 inch metal plates, 2 plate ranges operating, 480 points possible.
36 rounds fired in the moving target event, on 2 ranges running simultaneously. 360 points possible.
6 rounds fired at something. We are playing with this one. We'll see. There's lots of time. 60 points possible.

Enter (just once) in either Target or Service Class. Match fee, probably 1,000.00 pesos to cover the two days of extra food and the 2 beers the Club provides once the guns go away each night. Roughly 65.00 dollars Canadian.

I doubt I will worry about side events, and whether you use a revolver or an auto is up to you. The 1911's in .380 Cal (especially those darned Fusion Arms longslides) are deadly on the PPC and most everything else. And they work amazingly well. Mine never jammed that I remember. Fully supported chambers, all the bells and whistles, etc., etc. The Glocks and Beretta 92's also work VERY well and are accurate. And the revolvers! These Mexican Shooters are all revolvers guys and girls. They love the guns, mainly because a remarked .357 using .38 Heavy Duty loads is the most powerful gun they're going to be able to transport legally in Mexico. But I doubt we'll be doing a "big boy PPC" except maybe as a side event just before the big match so everyone's hands can be turned to mush. Or maybe not.

That's 1500 points possible. Small trophies and medals for prizes, along with whatever we can filtch from the Tequila companies and anyone else daft enough to listen to our pitch. It should be a real gas. I'd like to be there if I wasn't going to be running it.

So think about it. Stay tuned. Until I move back there, it's pretty dicey to try to get involved with the Mexican Clubs. Believe me: it's a closed society. But we can make this work. They want to do it. I want to do it. As I say, stay tuned.
 
I gotta get a holster that covers the trigger guard for my 4" M29 so I can shoot it in IPSC. Oh, and some Safariland II speed loaders.

Silky smooth action and wears Miculek grips.

Should make "Major" with 240 gr bullets over 5 grs BE with ease.

Safariland only makes the Comp I loader for the n-frames, but they have proven to be not an issue for me in any of my 29's or my Colt Anaconda. They even worked in my buddy's New Service .44 Special before he lost his mind and sold it (for crazy money, I will admit)...
 
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...It's sort of hard to join, and sort of hard to get set up, but it's "the real thing" in every possible connotation of the phrase. It's not just a game.

I'm in agreement with you here. Sometimes I find "scenario" shooting relays are set up for pure novelty or fun...which is fine if it's done safely, however, if a training point is trying to be gained there can inadvertantly be negative "habits" incorporated. I like your "charging balloon" relay but a simple addition could include poppers as the first two targets so the shooter has to shoot until the target goes down. Also, the addition of a simple barricade placed accordingly to remind the shooter to seek cover while reloading.
 
Calmex

I like the "balloon guy"! What powers it and releases it? Why does it drop when hit?

Best and most consistent "mover" I ever shot on was at Squamish, BC. The shooter triggered it by passing through a gate and you had a 'window' of opportunity to engage it through a 8'x4' window. I was powered by surgical tubing, pulling the target on a wooden frame mounted on clothesline wires. It never failed.

I was shooting my M66 4" and my game plan was NOT to engage the mover as I knew I would not be able to successfully reload and engage. I could have reloaded BEFORE going through the gate, but I was willing to take the "Mikes" for the sake of speed. Just as well, as the "mover" target was a LEO with a gun in one hand, his badge in the other. Hitting him 'zeroed' the stage! You were told before hand that you had a partner out there and you had better not shoot him.

All the hot shots (including Murray Gardner, Randy Fisher, et al) were shooting 1911s and of course engaged the "mover". I won the stage.

If you knew Murray, we likely have a lot of common friends. I was in on the ground floor from the get go, when it was still "Combat Pistol Shooting". I recall a lot of good shooting done with 1911s and "Major" revolvers, like single draw & fire exercises at 25M in 2 seconds. If you were an "A" class or top "B" class shooter, you shot a group centred in the "A" zone.

Amazing what shooting 300-500 rds a week can do for your skill level.
 
I'm in agreement with you here. Sometimes I find "scenario" shooting relays are set up for pure novelty or fun...which is fine if it's done safely, however, if a training point is trying to be gained there can inadvertantly be negative "habits" incorporated. I like your "charging balloon" relay but a simple addition could include poppers as the first two targets so the shooter has to shoot until the target goes down. Also, the addition of a simple barricade placed accordingly to remind the shooter to seek cover while reloading.

The one time we used the charging target in a match, we had the person shooting from cover. It came at you with a knife. I do not have a good photo of it, but this was the way it looked. We tended to make the shooters always shoot from cover because you won't last long if you don't.

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Calmex

I like the "balloon guy"! What powers it and releases it? Why does it drop when hit?

Best and most consistent "mover" I ever shot on was at Squamish, BC. The shooter triggered it by passing through a gate and you had a 'window' of opportunity to engage it through a 8'x4' window. I was powered by surgical tubing, pulling the target on a wooden frame mounted on clothesline wires. It never failed.

I was shooting my M66 4" and my game plan was NOT to engage the mover as I knew I would not be able to successfully reload and engage. I could have reloaded BEFORE going through the gate, but I was willing to take the "Mikes" for the sake of speed. Just as well, as the "mover" target was a LEO with a gun in one hand, his badge in the other. Hitting him 'zeroed' the stage! You were told before hand that you had a partner out there and you had better not shoot him.

All the hot shots (including Murray Gardner, Randy Fisher, et al) were shooting 1911s and of course engaged the "mover". I won the stage.

If you knew Murray, we likely have a lot of common friends. I was in on the ground floor from the get go, when it was still "Combat Pistol Shooting". I recall a lot of good shooting done with 1911s and "Major" revolvers, like single draw & fire exercises at 25M in 2 seconds. If you were an "A" class or top "B" class shooter, you shot a group centred in the "A" zone.

Amazing what shooting 300-500 rds a week can do for your skill level.

If you were shooting with Murray before IPSC it would have been in the CMCA days. I have one of those patches somewhere around here. Todd Birch was B.C. Section Coordinator when I was the Manitoba equivilent. Murray and his wife came down to visit me in Mexico in 2004, and we were a week together in Puerto Vallharta. We had a blast. A real, real blast. It was hilarious.

The Mover is from Action Target. Me and two other guys own one of them in San Miguel, and I think the Queretaro Club has two of them now. Or they were working on getting the second one. I do not know if the San Miguel Club has one yet or not, I remember something about them fund-raising to get one. Our "personal" mover is sort of a backup for the others. And it's ours. They are expensive, but they are very reliable. I think ours was called the Runner 120 and it runs off a generator. They are VERY transportable and there is no need to leave them permanently set up anywhere.

We NORMALLY use them as Bianchi Movers, just like in the Bianchi Cup. I mean, running side-to-side with a Tombstone type D-3 R2D2 Target. The Balloon target, while hilarious fun to play with, is a bottleneck. We used it in addition to a fun-house type stage in one of our big matches where you had to run-and-gun through a bunch of doors and windows shooting all steel and at the end it charges you and you have to hit it before it touches a flag in front of the barricade you were behind to stop the clock. It was funny to see some people spraying and praying in a sheer panic. Safe enough, though, all downrange.

It is a rebar post hanging down from the mover and a cardboard box-type target that you buy in packs of 6 from Action Target. The 6 targets can last an eternity, they can take zillions of hits. I think we are still on our first box of 6 down there. You inflate a party balloon through the chest hole of the target and the pressure holds the target against the rebar post. Drape a T-shirt over the whole thing, tape a knife or a gun or a 'nade to the target sides (they have "arms" for the target in the kit-box) and go have fun. People who have never faced one and are experiencing it for the first time in the middle of a match with the women's team R.O.ing them are often awful intimidated.

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Yes, those were the days of CMCA (Coast Mountain Combat Association). Later it morphed into CMPS (Coast Mountain Practical Shooters). More politically correct but it lacked the original cachet. I still have the CMCA shirt/crests and it still fits. I was the Section Coordinator you refer to.

It was a different game then, with one foot in reality, the other in a fantasy world of armed citizens taking out the bad guys. We used to re-enact gun fight scenarios from real life. You could protest a stage for "impracticality" if it lacked street smarts.

If we were crazy, the guys from the Seattle based Rainier Combat Team (RCT) were even crazier. They wore crisp tan pants and shirts with the USMC creases ironed in. In 'single draw & fire' exercises in 2.5 seconds at 25 yds, they used to go prone and make the hits! Your score was comprised of 25% "draw & fire in those days.

Some of the US shooters were Viet Nam vets, including one who lost a leg as Huey door gunner. He did everything able bodies shooters did. I tell this to people now and they laugh. Most of the shooters now might be able to go prone but would need help to get back up. We were a different breed of cat. Jeff Cooper was God and we were his disciples.

Most of us were loading on a single stage press and 'hi-tech' was a turret press. Murray had a Star progressive. When we weren't shooting, we were reloading.

First time I made the Provincial and National teams I was shooting Browning Hi-Powers. Later I switched to the 1911, shot back into "A" with it and back onto the Prov and Nat teams. It was easier with the .45.

I see in the video that you use the Miculek method of reloading a revolver. That never made sense to me as we successfully reload a semi-auto with the left hand, so why lose control of the gun with your strong hand with a revolver? I proved it works in competition and became unbeatable with a revolver, one time winning "Top "B" class at the Nationals.

I still have a Zero Halliburton gun case with the DETONICS logo on it, donated by Team Detonics for outshooting their hot shot member. They were using the diminutive Detonics "CombatMaster" (that is how it was spelled) and made "IPSC "Major" with them! It was a mean little sucker to hang on to. Now they are collector items.

I often think a book should be written about those glory days before we all became "criminals in waiting".
 
Yes. Do you Remember what you were doing on or around August 2 of 1980? Because I do. You were standing on the Strathmore Range outside of Calgary at the start of the 1980 IPSC/Canada National Championships, and Murray Gardner was standing beside you. He had lost his guns and gear returning from (I think) the World IPSC Meeting in England with Jeff Cooper and his luggage had been sent to Kuwait or maybe the Moon. He had borrowed Randy Fischer's 1911 and was out at a berm being allowed a "test fire". He didn't even have a holster.

"You need a holster" you told him.
He just looked at you and said, "No, I don't. I can just carry it like this." The gun was unloaded as you had not told him to load it yet. He snicked the safety on, stuck it into his waistband between his belt and his pants. "See? The belt covers the trigger guard. It's secure. I'm good to go."
You didn't even smile. Do you remember this? You said, sort of bored I think: "Yes, you need a holster."
"Show me where it says that" snapped Murray. He had you. August 2, 1980, there was no rule book. Just the 47 rules Cooper had laid out in "Cooper on Handguns."

"You need a holster," you told him, same bored voice (Had you two sparred like this before?). I think you almost felt it was beneath you to explain it. "It's clear when we say 'carried in a safe and secure manner' we mean a holster." This went back and forth only a little and then Murray relented and agreed that he could borrow a "Doc" holster from someone and it would be the same as what he would have been using if he hadn't lost his gear. I think he was by that time using the Doc 2, but I might be wrong. This was more than 39 years ago now. I asked Murray about that little exchange a little later and he told me he was just playing with you. "I just wanted to see what he'd say" was his reply to my question. "He got the answer right." I remember thinking I was glad it was you he was playing with and not me. You did not know me at the time, but I was standing right beside you during that whole exchange. That would have been the first time we were in the same space.

The next night, you, me, Murray, Kerry, Ken Kulach, Randy Fischer I think, and several friends and interested parties and a couple of guys from Ontario (whose names I no longer remember, but if you are reading this, forgive my bad memory) met at Paul Merrett's basement in Calgary, with Murray officiating absolutely totally, and went line-by-line and rule-by-rule through the original 47 rules and put together the rough draft for what would become IPSC/Canada Rule Book. Somewhere in Manitoba, there is a briefcase of mine I have never been able to locate with some personal papers from around 1989 -- just before I left for Mexico -- and a letter I once received from Jeff Cooper, and a copy of that original Rule Book signed by Murray, by you, by Ken Kulach, and by myself. And Murray won that 1980 match, borrowed gear and all.

I talked to you more at the 1981 Nationals in Regina. We would have been at the yearly meeting there in the Wildlife Range meeting hall, although I don't much remember it. I do remember, at some point in the match, you showing me the High Power you had. Did it have and extended 6 inch barrel? Memory tells me it did, but perhaps you had only mentioned you were interested in trying an extended barrel on it. By that time, my own 1911 .45 had an extended 6 inch Bar-Sto that Austin Belhert installed for me a little earlier that Spring, so I don't remember if yours had an extended barrel or we just talked about it. I was 11 years younger than Murray (and still am, amazingly enough). If I recall correctly, you are 3 or 4 years older than he is. Kulach was older than all of you.

For me, to be around you guys, was an amazing time in my life. I esteemed the hell out of all of you for what you were doing and trying to get done and was so thrilled to be a part of it. I told Murray in Puerto Vallharta in 2004 that being around him and the rest of you was something I have always been proud of because I so wanted to ride on that cart and you guys were the ones that were driving it. Murray once walked up to me, at the Bianchi Cup in 1981, with Jeff Cooper and introduced me. I just stood there. I don't think I spoke. Murray teased me later with the "Cat have your tongue?" line, but it really did. I just didn't know what to say. And, as I am sure you know, Murray has the gift of gab anyway.

When a friend from IPSC/Canada (who was actually standing right beside me that day in 1980 that Murray was trying to convince you he could just wear the 1911 in his belt) found out Murray was coming to Mexico and that we would 'visit', he reaction was "Oh, that's just great! The two biggest mooches in IPSC/Canada together in Mexico! How can this go wrong?" One evening Murray and his wife, myself, and another couple they were travelling with went out for dinner in old P.V., which even after living 26 years fulltime in Mexico remains one of my favorite "tourist resorts" with all that entails. After a nice meal, and in my case a couple drinks (Murray at the time didn't drink and may still not but I have never suffered from that afliction) the check came.

"Get the check, Cal" said Murray, frisbee spinning the paper receipt over to me. Not even looking, I tossed it back.

"No, Murray," I said, "You should get the check. I don't want you to feel guilty in the morning." The back-and-forth with the check thing went back and forth another round or two when suddenly Murray's male travelling companion reached over and grabbed the bill, and looked at it.

"Oh, that's not bad at all!" he exclaimed. "I'll get the check!" Murray and I just smiled at each other. (Murray may hate me for repeating that story, but it is the truth.)

As to a "book" being written about the Glory Days of how IPSC/Canada came to be set up and running, we talked about that. Just a short time before the meal check incident, we were talking about all the old photos everyone had and how nice it would be to "set the record straight" while the people who had done the deed were still around and remembered who-said-what-to-whom.

"Won't matter." I told Murray.
"Why not?" asked Murray.

So I explain to him that he was 11 years older than me. And that you were older than him, and that Kulach was older than all of us. Natural chronological time will probably insure that -- just because of relative ages -- I will be the last one standing. And unless I become a babbling idiot (or worse than I am now), you can count on my meager participation in everything that happened suddenly taking a dramatic turn towards a higher level of importance when my memoirs come out and the rest of you are not around to call B.S. . Murray did not appear amused.
 
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Thank you for making this thread so much more interesting than my reports on trying to shoot double action with my little guns.

Today was the last of the double action snubby testing. I shot the bigger guns at 25 yards.
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A pair of 3" 357mags. Both are ported. A Ruger Security 6 (slightly bigger than a K frame) and a Smith 686, which feels like a tank.

A pair of Charter Arms 44 Spl Bulldogs. These are quite light and hurt like hell with full power loads. My wife took one as "her" gun because it seems to fit her hand well. I tried to get her to take a 38Spl, but she kept coming back to this Charter Arms 44. #1 is hers, and it is much smoother than #2. I bought #1 from a plain clothes body guard for an Ontario VIP. I am guessing it has been tuned a bit.

The M65 (45ACP) is huge and heavy. Shoots great.

I found the double action groups from these big guns were better than with the little 2" 38s. The actions are smoother and I think I have a bit of a learning curve, too.

Charter Arms 44Spl Bulldog #1 (old model. I have had this one for 30+ years)
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Charter Arms 44Spl Bulldog #2 (old mode)l.
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3" Smith 686 (ported)
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3" Ruger Security 6 (ported)
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Calmex

I wrote a lengthy response to your last, hit the wrong key and lost it ....

Your memory of those days is remarkable.

We were a pretty motley crew. Hyper active Murray, Rod Phillipsen, Blair Molesbury, Elder Jeske and me not long out of Regular Army. Randy came later. I first met them when I heard gun fire on the Thompson Mountain 'Black Powder Trail'. If memory serves, I was wearing a breech clout and leggings when I approached them. They had the "deer in the headlights" look until I asked if they had ever heard of a guy named Jeff Cooper. That opened the door and I was admitted into the fold. I loaned them my copy of "Cooper On Handguns" and it came back to me dog eared. They devoured it.

My Hi-Power was stock save for an extended safety and removal of the mag safety. An early model with internal extractor. Later I acquired another from Alan Lever, one of our early sponsors. Remember the "Lever Arms" trophy? There was also a more impressive trophy for "Top 9mm" that had my name on it more than once. No idea where it went ....

I never met Cooper. Fisher won a course at GunSite and didn't go. I was disgusted with him as it was a chance to meet Cooper. Fisher was a "gamesman" from the get-go and not a martial artist like most of us.

Murray's energy, drive and organizational skills were exceptional and he can be regarded as the grandfather of practical pistol shooting in Canada. Heady days and not likely to repeated in this anti-gun era. Even back in the day, it was an uphill fight as we got no support from clubs, the BCRA or other shooting sports. We heard things like: "the rcmp won't like it", "it's illegal to shoot from a holster in Canada", "it will attract an unsavoury element", etc., etc.

If indeed you are "last man standing", it may fall to you to record the era and history. The current crop of shooters response when you mention Jeff Cooper is: "Who's Jeff Cooper"?
 
Ganderite: Did you change your hold? Or did you watch the Miculek video and start to change your D/A technique? I ask, because all one has to do is scroll through this thread and look at your targets that are posted and it's quite noticeable that on this last post, your groups have moved more to the center of the target as opposed to always being slightly left. Yes, the guns are bigger, but if your hold on the snubbies and trigger technique is correct, the groups should stay centered (unless the sights are off, of course).

When I get back to Mexico in February, I will try to arrange to be on a range (San Miguel, Queretaro, or Salamanca perhaps) with some snubbies and some targets and do a few 5 yard groups to see if I can post them. To be fair, I will do the "draw, shoot 5, reload, and shoot 5 more" in 18 seconds from 5 yards as we have in our Snubby course once I fire a few "sighter shots" to confirm zero if it's a borrowed snubby. There are lots around.

That puts some time-pressure on me, and everyone's groups start to go astray anyways once their hand gets turned into hamburger by a heavily recoiling snubby with small, skimpy grips (the grips that are the most concealable).

Jeff Cooper (whom I only met once via Murray, in which I doubt I spoke -- and one other time later that day in a Conference room in a Hotel in Columbia, Missouri where I was amongst a throng listening to him converse with Ray Chapman about Barricade shooting, and he nodded at me just having been presented to me that afternoon by Murray) once sent me a photocopied (or perhaps Gestetnered) copy of a blurb he may never have published. I say "may never have" because I never read it in a gun-magazine although it may have just been an issue I missed. Anyway, he theorized that a potential solution to criminality was to simply issue every law-abiding citizen with a 5-shot snubby and stipulate that they carry it after proper training it it's use. I no longer remember most of what he wrote in that blurb although it had the typical Cooper charm and style. He felt that a 5-shot snubby did not afford the criminally insane the possibility of causing much damage before being stopped by bystanders who would be similarly armed but would also be a deterrant to even well-armed criminal groups because they would not be preying on the "unarmed and helpless".

They are tough little guns to shoot, and thus are in "a class of their own". But if you are living in a social situation where you are specifically not allowed or even prohibited from carrying any form of self-protection and yet at the same time surrounded by monsters, the snubby remains your best bet to "somewhat even the odds". The fact that you are not expected to be armed greatly enhances the snubby's power because they will get close to you, something they would avoid doing otherwise. If you can hit fast B-zones (I use the euphemism simply out of consideration for the delicate among us), it can greatly enhance your survivability against anything less than a carload of adversaries.
 
"Ganderite: Did you change your hold? Or did you watch the Miculek video and start to change your D/A technique? "

No change, but all but one of these guns has a sight adjustable for left-right. The sights may have been better centered, to start with.

Also, I found the actions somewhat smoother to use, and I probably learned a bit about shooting DA. All of these guns, except Bulldog #2 felt very controllable, and I bet if I practice d with just one of them, I could improve more, quickly.

The groups to day are better than I would have ever thought possible, a month ago.

Now that this diversion is over, I will go back to working on my IPSC style shooting with my optic- Canik 9mm.
 
Calmex

I wrote a lengthy response to your last, hit the wrong key and lost it ....

Your memory of those days is remarkable.

We were a pretty motley crew. Hyper active Murray, Rod Phillipsen, Blair Molesbury, Elder Jeske and me not long out of Regular Army. Randy came later. I first met them when I heard gun fire on the Thompson Mountain 'Black Powder Trail'. If memory serves, I was wearing a breech clout and leggings when I approached them. They had the "deer in the headlights" look until I asked if they had ever heard of a guy named Jeff Cooper. That opened the door and I was admitted into the fold. I loaned them my copy of "Cooper On Handguns" and it came back to me dog eared. They devoured it.

My Hi-Power was stock save for an extended safety and removal of the mag safety. An early model with internal extractor. Later I acquired another from Alan Lever, one of our early sponsors. Remember the "Lever Arms" trophy? There was also a more impressive trophy for "Top 9mm" that had my name on it more than once. No idea where it went ....

I never met Cooper. Fisher won a course at GunSite and didn't go. I was disgusted with him as it was a chance to meet Cooper. Fisher was a "gamesman" from the get-go and not a martial artist like most of us.

Murray's energy, drive and organizational skills were exceptional and he can be regarded as the grandfather of practical pistol shooting in Canada. Heady days and not likely to repeated in this anti-gun era. Even back in the day, it was an uphill fight as we got no support from clubs, the BCRA or other shooting sports. We heard things like: "the rcmp won't like it", "it's illegal to shoot from a holster in Canada", "it will attract an unsavoury element", etc., etc.

If indeed you are "last man standing", it may fall to you to record the era and history. The current crop of shooters response when you mention Jeff Cooper is: "Who's Jeff Cooper"?

My memory is only remarkable for the things that really touched me or impacted me. The whole IPSC/Canada thing, at the beginning, was something that really touched me. If I could have chosen a role to have in life at the age of 20, it would have been what I did at 21 with the rest of you. Nobody could have done it alone, but Murray came as close as one person could come, and he had the rest of us to push him that last little bit.

In my own opinion, Murray wrote the rulebook for IPSC, with our input. I have asked him about this several times over the years and he has been evasive. I believe (and this is only my opinion, not any "fact"), that Rulebook one that was put together in rough form by us in Paul Merrett's basement on the 3rd of August, 1980. Sent on for approval from Cooper by Murray after some editing and then published and in our hands for the Spring of 1981. USPSA and NRA Action copied directly all the salient parts and changed a word or two and then printed their own rulebooks based on that work. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's certainly what I have told the Mexicans, and written about at length (in Spanish) on the Latin American Gun Forum "Mexico Armado". So it's what they will take as "history" also. Tell me where I'm wrong, but only if you were actually there. Then go tell the Mexicans. When they introduced me as guest speaker at the first Mexican Police National Combat Championships, they introduced me as "One of the founders of IPSC/Canada." Walking to the podium, I thought for an instant that Todd, Ken and Murray might have something to say about that...but then I was there, staring at all of them waiting to hear what I had to say, and so I said what I had to say. Water under the bridge now.

Driving down to the Bianchi Cup in a rented Winnebego in May 1981 with Ken Kulach and his wife, #### Leer and his wife, Rick Miller (and wife? I think so...) and my girlfriend at the time, being the youngster aboard I was given the late-night Midnight to 5:00 AM driving shift through the Middle U.S. on the way to Missouri. Ken Kulach elected to stay awake and sit in the Co-Pilot seat and "keep me awake" which was probably a good idea. Driving is not my forte, I personally hate it, and prefer to have someone drive me around when possible. *

"I've written up some amendments I think we should make to the holster rules," he said, and then kept me awake while driving reading them to me. At that time, in the first rule book, there wasn't a lot specified about holsters except that "gunbelts" were no longer de moda and that the belt should pass through the trouser loops -- I think. Ken went a lot further than that. I think the rules as they now stand were basically what Ken read aloud to me that night.

I would say Murray was responsible for the first real set of rules past Cooper's first 47. Ken was responsible for the holster rules, basically, such as they stand for IPSC and NRA Action. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there were a lot of other people involved, but I like to credit them. Even when I write my memoirs, I will credit them. As I say, when I tried to pin Murray down on this, he refused to take the credit. Murray has his detractors, as does anyone who has actually done something the nay-sayers declared to be impossible, and some of them have told me that Murray would NEVER refuse to take credit for anything, anywhere, anytime. I, personally, feel that Murray considers the whole thing too sacred to play with lightly and refuses "to go there". Fine. He can be Henry Fonda to my Terence Hill. In my mind, he did it. So there. And as for Ken, I have not talked to since those days. But ditto.


* My "driver" in San Miguel was something that came about once the small town, with streets designed for horse-drawn wagons, became inundated with cars and one could no longer conveniently park anywhere. One night I met "George", a Gringo with a Mexican wife who was retired and living in San Miguel. He did not speak Spanish, but he wanted to be in the Club. When I asked him what he had done "back in the World", he told me he was a retired U.S. Navy Captain.

"I worked on Carriers," he told me simply. "I started as an Ensign on the USS Bon Homme Richard during the Vietnam War, and later worked on Independence and Enterprise. I finished up again on the Richard. Then I worked at the Pentagon." I liked him and told him that if he had nothing better to do, he could help me by driving me around town a couple times a week when I had stuff to do because I was tired of taking Taxis and parking had become impossible. In return, I'd help him join the Club and get his permits.

Another one of the men I often associated with (and helped get gun permits) was filthy rich: that's his family's home that is used as a Louisiana plantation and Leo DiCapprio's house in "Django Unchained". Filmed from the other side, it's Don Johnson's Plantation and house, but it's all the same place. Showing up with George in tow one night at one of his gala dinners in his Boutique Hotel Matilda in San Miguel, the rich man's peanut gallery asked George what he was doing with me.

"He's my driver," I responded, letting my hand waver most arrogantly in the air, "I have determined I require a driver that is at least a U.S. Navy Captain from the Carrier Force. Anything less would be beneath me." There were some pretty pricey people, albeit without Mexican gun permits, at the table that night, but I think they caught my drift. When George went to register his first guns and apply for a transport permit, the usual Mexican Army Officer appeared to question him. Fortunately, it was a Captain who was known to me.

"George here is with me." I told the Captain. "He served in the U.S. Navy on Aircraft Carriers." The two men started talking, through me as an interrpreter. And George got his permits. It strikes me, right now, that a future might be had helping non-Spanish speaking Gringos and Canadians get gun permits in Mexico, although that would fizzle as soon as one of them were to over-step their bounds I guess. So, maybe not.

George got to go to a few of the big matches and Gun Club parties before I returned to Canada. He was super-popular -- as was my father, a Normandy Veteran who would come out to spectate at my matches a generation earlier -- with the Club members on his squad. Telling them, albeit in English, story after story about working aboard operational Aircraft Carriers had members pulling strings to "be with George". It was cute, and he loved it. This photo is from last February, 2019. George driving me, once more, around San Miguel to shore up old alliances and try to make new ones. Just like the old days!

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George has a nice, big, salt-water infinity pool at his house overlooking San Miguel. "I could never afford to live like this," he told me, "on my retirement salary in the U.S. Here, I live like a King." Well, that's my intention too! 3 years to go and I'll be going back. I keep my S&W Heavy Duty and my Model 28/23 in George's safe, and I plan to spend a week there this winter in his 97 degree salt-water pool listening to Aircraft Carrier stories and drinking like a fish. Oh, woe is me.
 
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Is San Miguel the place known as a Canadian retirement town and populated with artisans?

I used to fly around Mexico in my plane and recall Zihuatawejo before it became a vacation destination.

A hotel with 3 meals a day was about $35. When we were there with the kids we could afford to give the kids their own room.
 
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