DPMS .308 Recon VS Armalite AR10T
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It`s not an apples-to-apples comparison. The Armalite AR-10T is more of a target gun, while the DPMS G2 Recon is sort of a DMR-ish/"battle rifle-ish" one.
FWIW, I bought a 16" Armalite AR-10A (PMag-compatible), which is maybe a bit closer to the G2 Recon, although my AR-10A has a chrome-lined lightweight barrel, so again, not exactly similar in that respect.
Either one should be a pretty good choice though.
FWIW, I bought a 16" Armalite AR-10A (PMag-compatible), which is maybe a bit closer to the G2 Recon, although my AR-10A has a chrome-lined lightweight barrel, so again, not exactly similar in that respect.
Either one should be a pretty good choice though.
What I saw during load development:
The ar 10t is a .5 to .6 moa rifle with handloads, good conditions and a dialed in shooter.
The dpms g2 recon is a .7 to .9 moa rifle with handloads, good conditions and a dialed in shooter.
I would trade that .2 moa any day for the weight and ergonomic advantages of the g2. Same reason I got rid of my mws, which I won't get all the way in to, but it's a better rifle than the ar10t on a few fronts, should you rule out the g2 for some reason...
I load 110 hornady vmax for carbine style use with the g2, with the lantac brake, it feels like you're shooting a birdcaged .223 ar. I've had a few folks familiar with ar's dump a mag without realizing its a 308 !
One disadvantage of the g2 is the crap forearm it comes with, I traded mine out with a midwest rail. Highly recommended.
Until Knights or LMT suck it up and build a 308 around the same design principles as the g2, the dpms is king of the 308 ar market. Folks just haven't realized yet... It's a pity the freedom/Cerberus group had the short sight to release such a revolutionary 308 ar under the dpms brand name. For those that don't know, the dpms g2 has almost zero to do with the "dpms" company as far as design or manufacture.
The ar 10t is a .5 to .6 moa rifle with handloads, good conditions and a dialed in shooter.
The dpms g2 recon is a .7 to .9 moa rifle with handloads, good conditions and a dialed in shooter.
I would trade that .2 moa any day for the weight and ergonomic advantages of the g2. Same reason I got rid of my mws, which I won't get all the way in to, but it's a better rifle than the ar10t on a few fronts, should you rule out the g2 for some reason...
I load 110 hornady vmax for carbine style use with the g2, with the lantac brake, it feels like you're shooting a birdcaged .223 ar. I've had a few folks familiar with ar's dump a mag without realizing its a 308 !
One disadvantage of the g2 is the crap forearm it comes with, I traded mine out with a midwest rail. Highly recommended.
Until Knights or LMT suck it up and build a 308 around the same design principles as the g2, the dpms is king of the 308 ar market. Folks just haven't realized yet... It's a pity the freedom/Cerberus group had the short sight to release such a revolutionary 308 ar under the dpms brand name. For those that don't know, the dpms g2 has almost zero to do with the "dpms" company as far as design or manufacture.
What I saw during load development:
The ar 10t is a .5 to .6 moa rifle with handloads, good conditions and a dialed in shooter.
The dpms g2 recon is a .7 to .9 moa rifle with handloads, good conditions and a dialed in shooter.
I would trade that .2 moa any day for the weight and ergonomic advantages of the g2. Same reason I got rid of my mws, which I won't get all the way in to, but it's a better rifle than the ar10t on a few fronts, should you rule out the g2 for some reason...
I load 110 hornady vmax for carbine style use with the g2, with the lantac brake, it feels like you're shooting a birdcaged .223 ar. I've had a few folks familiar with ar's dump a mag without realizing its a 308 !
One disadvantage of the g2 is the crap forearm it comes with, I traded mine out with a midwest rail. Highly recommended.
Until Knights or LMT suck it up and build a 308 around the same design principles as the g2, the dpms is king of the 308 ar market. Folks just haven't realized yet... It's a pity the freedom/Cerberus group had the short sight to release such a revolutionary 308 ar under the dpms brand name. For those that don't know, the dpms g2 has almost zero to do with the "dpms" company as far as design or manufacture.
Agree on the forearm nth. I'm aware of the Northwest option but wish it didn't use a proprietary barrel nut. Must be a reason for it.
Would love to throw on a AP Customs carbon fiber forend. Really like that its a direct swap for AR15 triggers. HIPERTOUCH HIPERFIRE 24 TRIGGER - http://www.hiperfire.com/ comes to mind.
The G2 certainly seems like a game changer that other companies will build on soon enough.
Yeah, I've got a Giessele s3g in this one. Big giggle factor with xcrm pistol mags.
The barrel nut is the same outer diameter as a 223 ar. The inner diameter and threads are of course larger than a 223 barrel nut. Any handguard that works with a standard 223 barrel nut will work.
It's the proprietary barrel nuts like the Daniel defense lite rails that are an issue.
Part of the reason that it's as light and compact as it is, is that it mimics the dimensions of a 223 barrel extension/nut.
It rocks though, no joke. I've owned lots (and lots !) of rifles, and this is my favourite. It's a jack of all trades.
The barrel nut is the same outer diameter as a 223 ar. The inner diameter and threads are of course larger than a 223 barrel nut. Any handguard that works with a standard 223 barrel nut will work.
It's the proprietary barrel nuts like the Daniel defense lite rails that are an issue.
Part of the reason that it's as light and compact as it is, is that it mimics the dimensions of a 223 barrel extension/nut.
It rocks though, no joke. I've owned lots (and lots !) of rifles, and this is my favourite. It's a jack of all trades.
Listen to NTM's vast knowledge and experience, I would if I were in the market for an AR-10 rifle.
The G2 gives up nothing on the AR-10T, but for a little loss in velocity while offering up so much more with it's compact size and lighter weight (the AR-10T at 10+ pounds is well over a pound heavier then the under 9 pound G2).
Unless Bench Rest shooting at extreme distances (800M.+) and/or superior Sub MOA accuracy are your only plans for this rifle I'd go with the G2, as it reigns supreme everywhere else.
So DAJA you have to ask yourself, how long are the restricted ranges you have access to?
Cheers D
The G2 gives up nothing on the AR-10T, but for a little loss in velocity while offering up so much more with it's compact size and lighter weight (the AR-10T at 10+ pounds is well over a pound heavier then the under 9 pound G2).
Unless Bench Rest shooting at extreme distances (800M.+) and/or superior Sub MOA accuracy are your only plans for this rifle I'd go with the G2, as it reigns supreme everywhere else.
So DAJA you have to ask yourself, how long are the restricted ranges you have access to?
Cheers D
The DPMS stuff is very good, i love my AR-10T but i have great shooting with my DPMS LR HBAR 16 inch, i dont think you cant go wrong with any, i still have a Bush XD-10 still unfired that could be a shooter to, A SR25 will join the herd this fall.....
DPMS at the range... JP.
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Caramel, your dpms isn't one of the g2 rifles.
It is a true dpms, designed and manufactured by that company before Cerberus/freedom took the company apart.
Do yourself a favour and check out one of the g2's, you'll find they are much higher quality, and much more advanced than the old school dpms 308's.
Again, somebody in marketing screwed up really badly by labeling the g2 under the dpms brand name. They would have been further ahead to have just called it a Remington. The majority of it was designed by the remington military division.
It is a true dpms, designed and manufactured by that company before Cerberus/freedom took the company apart.
Do yourself a favour and check out one of the g2's, you'll find they are much higher quality, and much more advanced than the old school dpms 308's.
Again, somebody in marketing screwed up really badly by labeling the g2 under the dpms brand name. They would have been further ahead to have just called it a Remington. The majority of it was designed by the remington military division.
Ok, I'm a little confused on the barrel nut nth,
So I can use ANY 223 hand guard unless it has a proprietary barrel nut ?
I thought it was the other way around, only a specific proprietary barrel nut would fit.
One of the reviews I read online must have made an error on this or I read it incorrectly.
Hoping you can use any regular hand guard, that would be brilliant.
Gotta say, the G2 is looking pretty darn impressive and undoubtably revolutionary.
Appreciate your information and experience with this rifle. Its certainly helping me to make a decision. I went into this having made a decision on the AR10T but figured I'd better give it all one more look. The G2 popped up right away then I was on the fence for quite awhile. I knew you gentlemen would help a great deal with points I had missed to make a final decision.
I went the other way.
I honestly think the g2 is a better rifle, not quality of manufacture wise, but design wise definitely. Certainly ergonomically, and accuracy is very comparable.
Yes, any handguard that uses a standard ar barrel nut to attach to works.
The barrel nut/rail that comes with the g2 recon is compatible with any Nordic rail.
The moe furniture g2 uses a barrel nut that is identical to a standard ar barrel nut in it's external dimensions. That particular barrel nut is available as a spare part.
I'd just go straight to the midwest handguard though, it's a very light and solid piece.
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Just to point out, the KAC SR-25 ACC is 8.4 lbs and the G2 Recon is 8.5 lbs. Very similar.
Features included on the KAC:
Enhanced BCG
Dual Ejectors
Two Stage Match Trigger
Ambi Safety
Ambi Bolt Catch
Ambi Mag Release
Sopmod Stock
Push button sling cups front and rear
Improved charging handle
MAMs Brake
Front and Rear BUS
Features included on the KAC:
Enhanced BCG
Dual Ejectors
Two Stage Match Trigger
Ambi Safety
Ambi Bolt Catch
Ambi Mag Release
Sopmod Stock
Push button sling cups front and rear
Improved charging handle
MAMs Brake
Front and Rear BUS
