Oh.....SNAP!!!!!
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Oh.....SNAP!!!!!
We had a guy this weekend drop his gun on the ground while drawing on his first stage of the match. DQ'd without even firing a shot. He stayed with his squad for the rest of their match, helped patch and everything. This says volumes about his character and integrity and although I don't know him well, he has my utmost respect. He knew what happened and took the DQ well but I am sure he was burning up inside because of it. As with others, I haven't DQ'd (yet) but if the day comes I will pack up my stuff but return to patch for the rest of my squad.
Runningfool
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??? I think you missed the point. By a shooter not taking themself too seriously I didn't mean that a safety violation is no big deal and doesn't require some thought.
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And if you are a range official (RO CRO RM or????) that gets DQ'd... AND YOU LEAVE... your credentials should be stripped for the year.
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well, I guess I am not the only one that felt completely horrid after a DQ. I did my full shift of taping/target setup before I left.
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Very impressed by a squad mate today, got DQ'd on the first stage after only a few shots fired, stayed with us for the whole day working his ass off and was smiling through most of it (I think I saw a slight grimace immediately after the call, but that's it). It does take special character to stick around with your squad, many do leave, and do come back to work their shifts, but some don't, and in fact some don't come back at all. A very good friend of mine was DQ'd at his first match, he was pretty broken up about it and didn't think he'd return the next day. But he did, and this weekend he took both days in Standard at the Williams Lake match, taking your lumps can be a learning experience, the smart ones know that.
I think this was a breakdown in communication. In the post that started the exchange, RF was trying to illustrate the following:
DON'T get all hissy and ruin everyone's day just because you DQ'd yourself (or feel that you got DQ'd without cause) (*)
DO go over the situation in your mind and work out a solution to prevent it from happening again. Learn from your experience!
That's how I took the post.
(*) Unless the DQ was a stupid overreaction to an obvious non-issue, like something that happened a long time ago in a province far far away
Even then, there are limits, but I don't think the shooter in question came close to them with his/her reaction 
Heh. I remember at one match (an Area match), one person got all hissy because he disagreed with the DQ call. Not only did he leave, but he was the employer for several members in his squad, and they all left the match as a show of support.
After being in the sport for about a year I had my first DQ this past weekend.
After I took the day off work and spent 6 hours helping build the entire match. I pushed a little too hard on the second last stage, combined with a poor mag change resulted in an AD.
I'm still fairly new; I learned what I did wrong and the Match Director taught me a means of correcting the problem.
A DQ was embarrassing and aggravating but in the end a very valuable lesson. It is a serious safety concern but you got to take the silver lining out of a bad situation and better yourself not to do it again and move on, dwelling accomplishes nothing
After I took the day off work and spent 6 hours helping build the entire match. I pushed a little too hard on the second last stage, combined with a poor mag change resulted in an AD.
I'm still fairly new; I learned what I did wrong and the Match Director taught me a means of correcting the problem.
A DQ was embarrassing and aggravating but in the end a very valuable lesson. It is a serious safety concern but you got to take the silver lining out of a bad situation and better yourself not to do it again and move on, dwelling accomplishes nothing
1riot1ranger
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I'd say "yes" to the training. But as the saying goes "You will fail to the level of training you have mastered...".
The BB instructor imparts instruction - it is up to the individual to *learn*. Some will, some will not. Under the stress of the timer and competition some people will fail (breaking 90 or finger in the trigger guard if I were to hazard a guess on the most common rule violations) and get a DQ. Ideally they will learn from their mistake, dial it back, and shoot within their envelope.
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I don't shoot IPSC and I hear a lot about IPSC guys getting DQ'ed. I understand the break 90, finger on trigger and ND rules. These apply in all sanctioned matches of all types. I shoot Tac rifle and in the last 11 matches, I think we had 1 DQ. I hear that IPSC ROs can DQ you if even a toenail is over the start line or any barrier lines. Is this true?
Why are there so many DQ's in IPSC?
And what is the penalty for a DQ? I keep reading about guys with hissy fits and arguing calls. Is there some kind of serious penalty or are these guys just pouty?
I'm not trolling here. Just trying to understand why the DQ phenomena seems to be centered on IPSC more than other disciplines.
Thanks!
Why are there so many DQ's in IPSC?
And what is the penalty for a DQ? I keep reading about guys with hissy fits and arguing calls. Is there some kind of serious penalty or are these guys just pouty?
I'm not trolling here. Just trying to understand why the DQ phenomena seems to be centered on IPSC more than other disciplines.
Thanks!
I completely understand folks not putting the in the time and effort to master what they've been taught.
With respect to the "breaking 90" DQs, is that from how the shooter moves through the stage? Is it something that can be reduced with stage design considerations or is it just the way it is?
I'm just looking for more understanding to help with my MDing and ROing at our 3 gun matches.
No. That is going to earn you a PE (10 point penalty) for foot faulting. Match Directors typically do not place the steel so that faulting by a small margin is "shooting steel from an unsafe distance" and therefore not DQ'able
Why are there so many DQ's in IPSC?
The penalty is that you stop shooting. You are finished competing for the match and will receive no score.
While completing the course of fire safely is always the responsibility of the competitor it is also true that stage design can and does affect the chance of breaking 90°, and of making the call if and when it happens.
In particular if targets are not visible beyond 90° competitors are less likely to engage them from positions where they should not be engaged.
1riot1ranger
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The bulk of muzzle safety violations I've seen are not stage design related - although I have seen targets placed too close to the line and a shooter DQ'd because they crossed the 90 line. I would characterize this as being in the small minority of cases.
The 90 DQs that I've seen are:
1) during a reload - engaging targets "cross court" and executing a reload (poor muzzle discipline)
2) during a reload - bad form and turned slightly to the left (poor fundamentals)
3) during "unload and show clear" pointing a firearm directly upwards (poor fundamentals)
4) movement around a barricade (poor fundamentals/muzzle discipline or awareness)
5) forward movement and re-engaging a bypassed target (poor awareness)
6) engaging a target from a port that should not have been engaged from the port (poor awareness)
7) lateral movement on a stage - pointing the firearm directly in line with direction of travel vs. pointing downrange (poor muzzle discipline/awareness)
#6 is also a design issue, but I don't think you should have to place a vision barrier behind every set of targets to prevent shooters from looking at them as they move forward.
There's on old saying in the flying business: there's only two kinds of pilots : those that HAVE landed gear up ... and those that have YET to land gear up. Accept the DQ gracefully (it's NOT PERSONAL -,no RO enjoys having to apply a DQ) - learn from it - git back on your horse and carry on!!!
I shot a match where the shooter tripped on uneven ground and that's how he got DQ'd.. Can happen to anyone but it was the right call. Bad situation all around but he took it like a champ and stuck around, helped out.
I DQ'd myself once for leaving a shell in the shotgun before transitioning to rifle. No excuses, should have known better, never repeated that mistake again. Was my first 3gun match, so inexperience came to play but I should have still checked the chamber before transitioning. It only inspired me to be more careful and I shot a couple more matches with the same crew since they really know how to have fun out there No other DQ's so far but, they can happen to anyone.
I DQ'd myself once for leaving a shell in the shotgun before transitioning to rifle. No excuses, should have known better, never repeated that mistake again. Was my first 3gun match, so inexperience came to play but I should have still checked the chamber before transitioning. It only inspired me to be more careful and I shot a couple more matches with the same crew since they really know how to have fun out there
No other DQ's so far but, they can happen to anyone.
