Drill + tap failure. Backwoods Outdoors Corbeil Ontario.

The thing with jobs like this, is the "Fiddly" bit, is what the customer pays for, not getting it done wrong, but really fast turn around!

Expectations, anyways.

Slow(ish), careful, and RIGHT! And nobody ends up talking poo about you forever after!

My reply wasn't to the OP, just comparing methods of drill&tap blind holes

It's a job I really don't like doing. It's not bad on larger jobs, like machinery bases etc but it's really easy to make holes in a barrel to deep and if you've got one wrong size drill bit in a drawer full of bits, guess which one you will pick up first. Number drills are the worst.

Before I became reasonably comfortable with drilling and tapping blind holes I took a length of cold rolled off the wall rack to practice on. That was years ago and an old hand at such things, in our shop showed me the system I wrote about. It's not infallible, but it works for me.
 
A cgn member pm’ed me contact info to an older smith who’s local to me. I gave him a call a few days ago, and yesterday I brought him my rifle to look at. He deemed it safe to shoot. Pulled open an old box with some 3 decades old rails machined to match 92 barrel contour that attaches via the rear sight dovetail. Mounted my red dot, and sighted it in. Old fella took a tumble last week and I was thankful he took the time to get me up and running for deer season, it was a chore for him.

Nice!
 
Should have utilize existing dovetail to properly install that rail. Even more so for magnum calibres. Still not late to do that but will require proper gunsmith to do it properly.
 
https:// youtu.be/ImLAmfM_AgA

If you haven't seen this before, check it out.

I will try this on a scrap barrel in the bin and see how well it holds

I will of course rough up the surfaces first. Might only work with plastic.

Hoping it will give such a super strong bond between two metals, such as aluminum/steel or brass/steel or even steel to steel.
 
https:// youtu.be/ImLAmfM_AgA

If you haven't seen this before, check it out.

I will try this on a scrap barrel in the bin and see how well it holds

I will of course rough up the surfaces first. Might only work with plastic.

Hoping it will give such a super strong bond between two metals, such as aluminum/steel or brass/steel or even steel to steel.

That's super interesting. Gonna have to try that! I dunno on what yet mind you...
 
That's super interesting. Gonna have to try that! I dunno on what yet mind you...

Turns out you can do similar things with Super Glue and cigarette ash, cotton balls etc.

It makes sense. I'm going to play with a few things just for curiosity's sake. Should be interesting at the very least.
 
https:// youtu.be/ImLAmfM_AgA

If you haven't seen this before, check it out.

I will try this on a scrap barrel in the bin and see how well it holds

I will of course rough up the surfaces first. Might only work with plastic.

Hoping it will give such a super strong bond between two metals, such as aluminum/steel or brass/steel or even steel to steel.

The baking soda just acts as an accelerant for the super glue, it doesn't increase the strength of the bond. If you just waited for the glue to dry and stacked up layers, it would have similar strength. Adding extra junk to the mix also won't increase the strength of the bond, super glue is still just super glue.

That video is a very typical clickbait garbage video you see everywhere.
 
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The baking soda just acts as an accelerant for the super glue, it doesn't increase the strength of the bond. If you just waited for the glue to dry and stacked up layers, it would have similar strength. Adding extra junk to the mix also won't increase the strength of the bond, super glue is still just super glue.

That video is a very typical clickbait garbage video you see everywhere.

Thanks for this. much appreciated.

I'm going to try the iron filings one though, just because.
 
The baking soda just acts as an accelerant for the super glue, it doesn't increase the strength of the bond. If you just waited for the glue to dry and stacked up layers, it would have similar strength. Adding extra junk to the mix also won't increase the strength of the bond, super glue is still just super glue.

That video is a very typical clickbait garbage video you see everywhere.

I don't disagree with your opinion of the video, but the Baking soda does not act as an accelerant, it just provides a lot of closely spaced surface area for the super glue to wick through and bond together, in places where the fit-up is poor.

Baking soda was cheaper and more easily available than say, glass micro-balloons, back when I was flying balsa RC Gliders and the like.

Clean dry sand works pretty well too, just harder to smooth off afterwards! LOL!

But hey, lots of guys think JB Weld is actually welding, and not just chitty epoxy with metal powder in it, too!
 
But hey, lots of guys think JB Weld is actually welding, and not just chitty epoxy with metal powder in it, too![/QUOTE]




It is not welding, but I will, and have, put JB up against any other cold cure epoxy that you care to name.
Devcon, Marinetex, Acraglas, etc.
 
Few weeks ago I had a 44mag rifle drilled + tap from a local establishment who’s a business member here. I installed a pursuit red dot on the rail. I sighted the rifle in with factory hsm hard cast loads for a moose hunt and plinked a little, total 20rounds fired. Rifle was cleaned yesterday. Today I attempted to sight in my standard factory hornady 240xtp ammo for deer and on the second shot the rail/red dot came flying off. There’s a lot of red loctite. The threads are almost non existent in receiver. I did not clean up the loctite residue so it’s hard to see threads on bolts. There’s some sort of damage on the underside of rail and where it mates to barrel, like blobs of loctite acted like a spacer?

The establishment requested the rifle was returned. I’m not a gunsmith or machinist by trade, but ran a drill in a machine shop for nearly two years and know this shouldn’t of happened and the driller knows for a fact when a drill + tap goes wrong. The excessive loctite appears to be coverup? Is my train of thought correct to this point?

I can send pictures to anyone’s email or cell if you care to post pictures pm me.

Thanks folks.

Edit to add. As of Nov 9 2023 the establishment, Backwoods Outdoors in Corbeil Ontario, has made no effort to correct the situation. The owner Darren Cropper botched the job. It’s searchable now so hopefully it saves future gunnutz some troubles.

Sorry the establishment didn't stand up. It will cost them in the long run I am sure.

Did you return the rifle?
 
Edit to add. As of Nov 9 2023 the establishment, backwoods outdoors in Corbeil Ontario, has made no effort to correct the situation. The owner Darren Crapper botched the job. It’s searchable now so hopefully it saves future gunnutz some troubles.

next time do your research first, a guy with a name like that would not even touch my garbage bag.
 
next time do your research first, a guy with a name like that would not even touch my garbage bag.

Horsefeathers. Sh!t happens even in the best establishments.

I've seen some very nasty mistakes from some very good smiths, with a lot of skill. I've never had one try to duck out on the fubar though.

I know a smith in Sask building faux No4 T rifles that look beautiful on the outside but I wouldn't order one from him. They aren't meant to be shot, just for display. That doesn't mean they aren't safe to shoot but many of the parts are refinished scrap bits.

Most smiths will inform their customers of such a screw up and either go good for it, fix it etc. Jimbobob08 ran into some misfortune that would likely be unpredictable.

Smiths are in short supply right now across Canada. Often, depending on where you live, give a smith your firearm to repair and it will be months or even up to a year before it's repaired. If the smith is a parts replacer and hasn't got the skillset, equipment or time to make the part, it could even take longer, especially if they're waiting for an obsolete part.
 
^^ this is true. I'm not a gun Smith by any stretch of the word but I've done a few things for a few people.

One time I was send 3 Lee Enfield barrels to have their Knox form turned into a barrel nut/thread adaptor ( similar to the cooey carcano rifles Knox) but the tail stock was off a few mm from someone else cutting a taper

so I tapped these barrel nuts using the tail stock. Guess what, the threads were way off on one side. The only way I saw to fix it was to tell the guy what happened and then proceed to make him 4 new barrel nuts out of 1045. ( One of those barrel nuts happen to be used in my "building a classic sporting rifle" thread)
 
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