Drill + tap failure. Backwoods Outdoors Corbeil Ontario.

Jonnyofalltrades said:
But hey, lots of guys think JB Weld is actually welding, and not just chitty epoxy with metal powder in it, too!
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It is not welding, but I will, and have, put JB up against any other cold cure epoxy that you care to name.
Devcon, Marinetex, Acraglas, etc.[/QUOTE]

You seem to have danced around the actual point with some agility! LOL!

Most of the products you find in a hardware store locally, are bound to be pretty low rent, as adhesives go.

There are some better ones, with prices the afore-mentioned believers will shriek and run from), that can sometimes be bought at a decently stocked industrial supply house.

But once you have used a decent industrial grade Epoxy, like EA934 or it's stable mates...
 
trevj said:
It is not welding, but I will, and have, put JB up against any other cold cure epoxy that you care to name.
Devcon, Marinetex, Acraglas, etc.
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You seem to have danced around the actual point with some agility! LOL!

Most of the products you find in a hardware store locally, are bound to be pretty low rent, as adhesives go.

There are some better ones, with prices the afore-mentioned believers will shriek and run from), that can sometimes be bought at a decently stocked industrial supply house.

But once you have used a decent industrial grade Epoxy, like EA934 or it's stable mates...[/QUOTE]

At over 6k for a quart kit, I don't think many of us will buy the Henkel product. - dan
 
Ex3dy said:
That's for 24x1qt, its still expensive at ~$250USD but not that bad
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I've used that product. It's very expensive when compared to other products designed to do similar things and IMHO, it's very good and right at the top of quality when it's used properly but the slightly lesser quality products will do "most'' jobs every bit as well, or at least beyond the requirements being asked.
 
Ex3dy said:
That's for 24x1qt, its still expensive at ~$250USD but not that bad
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Yep. And if you are not doing a high turnover of the stuff, it can be got in smaller size lots. The stuff I was using was in a less than Pint can, with a roughly 1/3 size can of the hardener component. If you know the right folks to ask, finding time expired product (no longer certifiable for aircraft use) is a way to source it cheap or free.

Use a Hot Bond Kit, and either set up the heat pads, or just use a thermocouple and a heat lamp, and you can have it flow very well, and be fully cured after an hour of heat. Otherwise, 24+ hrs, depending on the temperature.
 
trevj said:
Yep. And if you are not doing a high turnover of the stuff, it can be got in smaller size lots. The stuff I was using was in a less than Pint can, with a roughly 1/3 size can of the hardener component. If you know the right folks to ask, finding time expired product (no longer certifiable for aircraft use) is a way to source it cheap or free.

Use a Hot Bond Kit, and either set up the heat pads, or just use a thermocouple and a heat lamp, and you can have it flow very well, and be fully cured after an hour of heat. Otherwise, 24+ hrs, depending on the temperature.
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Isn’t that what the clowns that built the titanic sub did? How did that go? :d
 
bush1 said:
Isn’t that what the clowns that built the titanic sub did? How did that go? :d
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If you are stupid enough to build something that has critical repercussions, from scrounged, time expired, and no longer Certifiable product of any kind, you better be tough enough (or rich enough) to withstand the result of the subsequent failure, no?.

You will kindly note, that I have NOT at any time, suggested using TX'd goods for anything of a critical nature, just that, for non-critical uses such as mucking about with guns, and the like, it is a way to get access to a better than average product, for a better than average price, that may serve the needs quite adequately.

Pretty much on the same lines as a "Best Before" date on a box of salt (an extreme, example of this stupidity) a the Grocery Store. The stuff does not magically turn poison, or stop being what it is, just because the calendar moved on.
 
trevj said:
If you are stupid enough to build something that has critical repercussions, from scrounged, time expired, and no longer Certifiable product of any kind, you better be tough enough (or rich enough) to withstand the result of the subsequent failure, no?.

You will kindly note, that I have NOT at any time, suggested using TX'd goods for anything of a critical nature, just that, for non-critical uses such as mucking about with guns, and the like, it is a way to get access to a better than average product, for a better than average price, that may serve the needs quite adequately.

Pretty much on the same lines as a "Best Before" date on a box of salt (an extreme, example of this stupidity) a the Grocery Store. The stuff does not magically turn poison, or stop being what it is, just because the calendar moved on.
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Guns are a fairly severe use case, both in engineering considerations and because people's lives depend on them working properly. Gluing stuff to your guns is a bubba move, that is the entire point of this thread.
The salt doesn't go bad, the packaging does. Put it in a well sealed glass jar and it's fine for a long time.
 
Ex3dy said:
Guns are a fairly severe use case, both in engineering considerations and because people's lives depend on them working properly. Gluing stuff to your guns is a bubba move, that is the entire point of this thread.
The salt doesn't go bad, the packaging does. Put it in a well sealed glass jar and it's fine for a long time.
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Congrats on completely missing the point, about as adeptly as the last guy!
 
Jinbo....Any signs of some form of remuneration or payment from the butcher shop ?? Will they go good for the smith that fixed it ? Any discussions at all concerning it, or is this a dead horse and the beating has stopped ?
 
trevj said:
It is not welding, but I will, and have, put JB up against any other cold cure epoxy that you care to name.
Devcon, Marinetex, Acraglas, etc.
Click to expand...

You seem to have danced around the actual point with some agility! LOL!

Most of the products you find in a hardware store locally, are bound to be pretty low rent, as adhesives go.

There are some better ones, with prices the afore-mentioned believers will shriek and run from), that can sometimes be bought at a decently stocked industrial supply house.

But once you have used a decent industrial grade Epoxy, like EA934 or it's stable mates...[/QUOTE]

There was a point?
Whoops, must have missed it!
I haven't had the opportunity to try EA934, but I do work in industry, so maybe someday, when someone else is footing the bill.
Until then, the spendiest stuff I have played with is Devcon Titanium at $375/lb. It was good, but careful prep and application still trumps fancy products any time.
 
Jonnyofalltrades said:
You seem to have danced around the actual point with some agility! LOL!

Most of the products you find in a hardware store locally, are bound to be pretty low rent, as adhesives go.

There are some better ones, with prices the afore-mentioned believers will shriek and run from), that can sometimes be bought at a decently stocked industrial supply house.

But once you have used a decent industrial grade Epoxy, like EA934 or it's stable mates...
Click to expand...

There was a point?
Whoops, must have missed it!
I haven't had the opportunity to try EA934, but I do work in industry, so maybe someday, when someone else is footing the bill.
Until then, the spendiest stuff I have played with is Devcon Titanium at $375/lb. It was good, but careful prep and application still trumps fancy products any time.[/QUOTE]

Per my response to you on PM, yes, careful Prep and careful application does trump fancy products. But those 'fancy products' ARE a step up from the cheap ones!

My point has been that A: IT IS NOT WELDING!, just because it is called JB "WELD"! There are a surprising number of folks that do not actually understand that. Aka: 'those' believers!

My other point has always been, that no matter the end purpose, you need to choose your method, according to your means! It doesn't matter what is "Best", if it makes the whole damn job un-affordable!
 
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