Ducks Unlimited vs angry gunowners

Seems to me he joined as an individual using his position at ducks unlimited. Without that title he would not have gotten the position. Meaning ducks unlimited neutrality while their president takes a position on the commission clearly shows they are willing participant in the ban. They clearly did an analysis that government money comes in larger amounts then grass roots efforts. Seeing this they take the side of the government actively being and playing the role of Judas to gain the money needed for conservation efforts. Looks like in the long run they won’t even support hunting on their lands as they turn into an environmentalist group dedicated to nothing but keeping people out of water foul areas.

scott_r said:
DU supports hunters with free access to great wetlands as well as education on habitat and wildlife.
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For how much longer?
 
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The fact is that DU is on our board the ‘firearms advisory committee’. They have taken credit as the voice for hunters. Then they claim to not be involved with firearm politics. DU needs to Get off the firearms committee. They are no longer a voice for me. Duck hunting is my life. I have given these #######s thousands of dollars, and the one time i need then to support me, they turned there back.

I WILL NOT SUPPORT THEM ANYMORE. Period, and I let them know that.
 
scott_r said:
DU supports hunters with free access to great wetlands as well as education on habitat and wildlife.
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Well, unless we are going to go back to throwing rocks at Ducks (PSA : please do not throw rocks at Ducks), they'll have to come off the fence.

My CORE Instructor extolled the virtues of DU to me, and that was just last year.

Right now I am not enthused to follow up on the invitation.
 
scott_r said:
Sad state of affairs and in the end only wildlife and hunters are gonna loose out. Liberals could care less about a petition or any left leaning buffoon.
I do see where most stand though, and agree but can’t see this doing any good. We need to place this anger at the source, the current government.
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You got that right scottr.

Everyone's pissed off at something in canada these days. Oil prices, food prices, taxes, liberals, trump, the weather, their wife, ..... everyone's mad.

So along comes the ultimate longstanding wetland conservation organization that is neutral on the thus far underachieving petition. And some gunowners are furious!
 
45ACPKING said:
with a seat a the firearms advisory table they should be representing firearm owners.... even if it's just waterfowl hunters firearms. Sportsmen of all stripes have been the back bone of the organization's ability to exist in North America as a whole. Without the support of those sportsmen and their families , who care about the resource, ducks unlimited would not be the effective conservation organization that it is.

They should either stand in support of Canadian sportsmen and their firearms or relinquish their firearms advisory panel position to someone who will.
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As an outside onlooker sure has the appearance of a pyramid scheme.
Every penny and inch of soil goes upwards to the detriment of those on the bottom rung.
 
Buckmastr said:
So along comes the ultimate longstanding wetland conservation organization that is neutral on the thus far underachieving petition. And some gunowners are furious!
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Most signatures of a E petition in history is hardly underachieving. Just think if DU supported all the hunters who have supported them for decades how many signatures we would have. The trick is getting the word out so people know about it. DU could help with that. But turn on your core supporters and live with the consequences. There is no room for being neutral on this issue in many peoples minds.
 
FishHog said:
Most signatures of a E petition in history is hardly underachieving. Just think if DU supported all the hunters who have supported them for decades how many signatures we would have. The trick is getting the word out so people know about it. DU could help with that. But turn on your core supporters and live with the consequences. There is no room for being neutral on this issue in many peoples minds.
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All these signatures are great. But do the Liberals care about angering a few more people? Or doing something unethical? Or without proper consultation?
Not for a second. Water off a ducks back.
 
Time will tell but at least it will give the opposition a good talking point to bring up in the house. The fact that we don’t know if it will help change their approach is not a good reason to not support it.
 
Fight, fornicate or hold the light.
DU should stop and think if they are supporting Fudd's ( hate that word...fits on this topic though),the Canadian Firearms Community or the naturalistic Snowflakes.
My thoughts anyhow.
 
Most of DU's support in the US comes from hunters. In Canada it's a different story. I found out in the late 90's after over a decades break from volunteering on a committee that DU Canada had strayed dramatically from it's hunter based origins to the housewife with a cause volunteer, many of which were dyed in the wool treehuggers who balked at the thought of hunting. I figure that is also why years ago Canadian members were given the option of whether or not they wanted to receive the main DU magazine for an extra fee or just run with "The Conservator" quarterly magazine (Canadian exclusive) supplied with their membership. After that one year going back to volunteer once again I never went back. I also quit running DU shoots and have never purchased a membership since nor never will. I have never looked into it but I would bet DU would back US shooters since according to stats DU posted a few years back 85% of their US membership are hunters. They could not afford to lose that support. Canadian moneys raised from Canadian memberships, etc likely wouldn't be able to fund 10% of the projects done here in Canada. DU Canada lost my support years ago when I found out we had lost their support.
 
I've always drank from the 'DU is preventing Canadians from shooting ducks so they will fly onward to American hunters' kool-aid. As such, have always looked at them from the corner of my eye. This whole schmozzle is only feeding such thoughts.
 
scott_r said:
Am I the only one who thinks all the good this organization has done kinda outweighs this whole petition thing?

Whats your thoughts as a hunter?
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No, and let me tell you why. James (Jim) Couch was the President of Ducks Unlimited when Minister Ralph Goodale appointed him to the Firearms Advisory Committee. He is there to lend legitimacy to whatever this current fed gov plans to do to law abiding gun owners via Order In Council to ban guns and 'maybe' implement a 'buy back' (read extortion under threat of imprisonment)...

I don't care if he is no longer President, THE REASON he is there is clear!

DU continues to say they are focused on conservation, and that's FINE! But you don't then get to stab us all in the back by being on the Firearms Advisory Committee!

By being neutral on the e-petition, DU is throwing ALL firearms owners under the bus. The reason we are not seeing any left leaning Main Stream Media talk about the e-petition (remember that 600 Million...) is they know that NON-firearms owners will sign the petition because it's NOT just about firearms, it's about democratic process and not penalizing law abiding Canadians by taking away private property when there is no public safety risk associated with lawful ownership.

Just imagine the numbers of signatures on e-petition 2341 if all Canadians were aware of it!

Cheers
Jay
 
Jay said:
No, and let me tell you why. James (Jim) Couch was the President of Ducks Unlimited when Minister Ralph Goodale appointed him to the Firearms Advisory Committee. He is there to lend legitimacy to whatever this current fed gov plans to do to law abiding gun owners via Order In Council to ban guns and 'maybe' implement a 'buy back' (read extortion under threat of imprisonment)...

I don't care if he is no longer President, THE REASON he is there is clear!

DU continues to say they are focused on conservation, and that's FINE! But you don't then get to stab us all in the back by being on the Firearms Advisory Committee!

By being neutral on the e-petition, DU is throwing ALL firearms owners under the bus. The reason we are not seeing any left leaning Main Stream Media talk about the e-petition (remember that 600 Million...) is they know that NON-firearms owners will sign the petition because it's NOT just about firearms, it's about democratic process and not penalizing law abiding Canadians by taking away private property when there is no public safety risk associated with lawful ownership.

Just imagine the numbers of signatures on e-petition 2341 if all Canadians were aware of it!

Cheers
Jay
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.....:agree:......
 
'Boo said:
I went through this with DU Canada 20 years ago. At that time I had spent 12 years on 3 different banquet committees in 3 different communities. Over that 12 years the committees I was part of raised over $750,000.00 clear profit - total income less cost including the DU packages. I repeatably requested that DUC step in and protest the long gun registry as at that time most members were hunters. At first they claimed they would lose their tax-free non-profit status if they lobbied outside of their mandate. As time went on the story changed as they started stating they didn't want to alienate the non-hunting people who were increasingly joining the organization as members. After beating my head on the wall for years I finally cut all ties and walked away.
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And the weight of the world was lifted from your shoulder.
Sounds good to me and your not letting the current events eat at you either right?
Rob
 
FLHTCUI said:
And the weight of the world was lifted from your shoulder.
Sounds good to me and your not letting the current events eat at you either right?
Rob
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Not really. DU Canada does do good work when it comes to wetland restoration and protection. DUC was conceived as the "hands-on" branch of the organization as the Americans understand that the majority of the ducks they harvest were born and raised in Canada. The theory - much proven I must add - is that ducks and geese can't be "stockpiled". If the breeding and broodings areas can be maintained with good feed and predator control there will always be birds being born. In other words hunter pressure is less responsible for flock number than is adequate breeding areas.

The problems I have with DUC goes deeper than just their non-stance on firearms politics in Canada. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread the bird-watching yuppies and bean-counters have taken control of a lot of the organization and "member satisfaction" has plummeted. For example their discontinuing of the "low-profit" DU dinners has pretty well eliminated them from smaller communities.


As almost all the money that goes into the DUC projects comes from Ducks Unlimited Inc., who in turn receives most of their cash from American hunters, they can afford to thumb their noses at Canadians in general.
 
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