EDIT UPDATE: NO Tariffs on US Manufactured Firearms & Ammunition / CLOSED

[Shazam]

How can we send our AB oil to other parts of Eastern Canada? We can’t. Where is our national pipeline? How can we say we are self-sufficient? We can’t.

You’re right to say I told you so. The shifts in recent threats will affect gun owners.

But as far as tariffs go. Buy elsewhere for now. Let’s hope our importers get our ammo and firearms from other parts of the world. As crippled as the Canadian firearms industry maybe. We have options.

 

[Ungrateful]

build,it! And the Feds MUST pass laws enabling energy corridors through provinces. IIRC, it was Denis Codierre as mayor of Montreal who managed to block the energy east pipeline bringing AB oil to tidewater in NB? That a Mayor can block export of strategic resources is insane.

It was a First Nations reserve in bc that held up trans mountain for many years. If the government wanted to build a new 6 lane highway across your property there would be nothing you could do to stop them

 

[HunztheMighty]

How can we send our AB oil to other parts of Eastern Canada? We can’t. Where is our national pipeline? How can we say we are self-sufficient? We can’t.

You’re right to say I told you so. The shifts in recent threats will affect gun owners.

But as far as tariffs go. Buy elsewhere for now. Let’s hope our importers get our ammo and firearms from other parts of the world. As crippled as the Canadian firearms industry maybe. We have options.

for ammo bullets and brass consider Lapua out of Finland. For Powder Consider Vihtavhori also out of Finland i believe

 

[dangertree]

Avoid the tarrifs perhaps but not the dealers jacking prices up across the board

Our prices won't change.

 

[Ungrateful]

How can we send our AB oil to other parts of Eastern Canada? We can’t. Where is our national pipeline? How can we say we are self-sufficient? We can’t.

You’re right to say I told you so. The shifts in recent threats will affect gun owners.

But as far as tariffs go. Buy elsewhere for now. Let’s hope our importers get our ammo and firearms from other parts of the world. As crippled as the Canadian firearms industry maybe. We have options.

Pipelines don’t matter if you’re loading it onto a ship anyways. It doesn’t need to go all the way to tidewater you just need to get it to Churchill, Thunder Bay, or even onto the Mackenzie river (for half the year anyways)

 

[Ungrateful]

for ammo bullets and brass consider Lapua out of Finland. For Powder Consider Vihtavhori also out of Finland i believe

That’s what I settled on today. S&b and prvi make better ammo than Winchester and federal anyway

 

[Ungrateful]

Our prices won't change.

If the importer has to pay

How can we send our AB oil to other parts of Eastern Canada? We can’t. Where is our national pipeline? How can we say we are self-sufficient? We can’t.

You’re right to say I told you so. The shifts in recent threats will affect gun owners.

But as far as tariffs go. Buy elsewhere for now. Let’s hope our importers get our ammo and firearms from other parts of the world. As crippled as the Canadian firearms industry maybe. We have options.

Canadian government talks about the “nuclear option” being shutting off oil to the us. There is no Canadian pipeline that takes oil from the west to Ontario, Quebec, ns, nb, pei or nl. There is no pipeline that runs north of Lake Superior. Trump administrations “nuclear option” is turning off line 5and 6b, cutting off the eastern 3\4 of the country from the place where the oil is and they aren’t even talking about it yet. If that happened we would try to send it east by rail but there is a limit currently. The federal government will need to oversee building a pipeline north around superior to Thunder Bay to load onto tankers for sarnia, Montreal and nanticoke or go all the way around through the soo down to sarnia, to connect with line 9. Pipelines take years or decades to build. Currently the cheapest way to get oil from ab to Canadian consumers in the east would be through trans mountain, onto a tanker in Vancouver, south all the way around Mexico through the Panama Canal, back up to the st Lawrence, into the Great Lakes. It’s worth noting that there is a limit on the size of salt water vessel that can enter the Great Lakes system due to the st Lawerence seaway and welland canal locks limitations. About 1000ft length but the ships beam and draft are the controlling factors.

Small ships, all the way around the continent or rail across the rocks of Manitoba and northern Ontario are the only way to get western Canadian oil to the majority of the Canadian consumers if the us decides to turn off line 5 and you can bet the trump admin knows it

 

[Jeff_C]

It’s really sad to see pro-Trump apologists in this thread. Does a gun tariff suck, yes it does. But you know what a ton of things were tariffed. Guess what if you love bourbon you can’t even buy it, like full ban, in many provinces now. Canada didn’t start this, Trudeau didn’t start this, Trump started this.

We need to stand together as Canadians. Trudeau has resigned. It’s actually embarrassing seeing so many of you saying Trudeau caused the Trump tariffs. Do you see what Trump is doing in the rest of the world, in his own country? No one would have stopped this. I’m a proud gun owner, but I have a brain.

 

[Zulu10]

I know this might sound awful to those outside Alberta, but given how Canada has treated us, could you blame us for at least being warm to the idea of our province becoming the 51st state? Massive amounts of investment would pour in, jobs in abundance, a currency that is strong. We would get a better consitution and 2nd amendment rights. We could own property in places like Florida or Texas and snowbird easily. Our health care system is in shambles so its not like we would loose anything there. What do we gain by remaining in confederation? Scorn, mocking, theft of our resources, insults and a long string of Prime Ministers who look at us a financial blood bag. Not to mention Transfer Payments. When we were in a deep recesion out west we were not given any transfer payments nor were we given a reprieve from paying them.

Tell me where I am wrong?

I live in rural Ontario in a conservative county and don’t blame you at all. I am sick and tired of our electoral system that allows Canada to be held hostage by the liberal metropolitan areas that keep sending left wing politicians to Ottawa. These tariffs are a wake up call. Canadians are now paying the price for years of Liberal policies that have weakened our dollar, killed our domestic energy production/overseas exports, neglected our military, failed to meet NATO spending commitments and stifled economic prosperity at the altar of nonsensical WEF progressive environmental scams. Add onto this our childish PM’s long and open disdain of Trump and it isn’t hard to see why we are in this position. For those spewing vitriol on our U.S. cousins, I say you might want to consider what got us here in the first place.

 

[#1bcshooter]

That won't stop some dealers from raising the price on stuff already here

New orders. Tariffs are applied at the border as stuff comes over.

Rifles already in Canada are ok. It's new import only.

 

[m1008]

If the importer has to pay

Canadian government talks about the “nuclear option” being shutting off oil to the us. There is no Canadian pipeline that takes oil from the west to Ontario, Quebec, ns, nb, pei or nl. There is no pipeline that runs north of Lake Superior. Trump administrations “nuclear option” is turning off line 5and 6b, cutting off the eastern 3\4 of the country from the place where the oil is and they aren’t even talking about it yet. If that happened we would try to send it east by rail but there is a limit currently. The federal government will need to oversee building a pipeline north around superior to Thunder Bay to load onto tankers for sarnia, Montreal and nanticoke or go all the way around through the soo down to sarnia, to connect with line 9. Pipelines take years or decades to build. Currently the cheapest way to get oil from ab to Canadian consumers in the east would be through trans mountain, onto a tanker in Vancouver, south all the way around Mexico through the Panama Canal, back up to the st Lawrence, into the Great Lakes. It’s worth noting that there is a limit on the size of salt water vessel that can enter the Great Lakes system due to the st Lawerence seaway and welland canal locks limitations. About 1000ft length but the ships beam and draft are the controlling factors.

Small ships, all the way around the continent or rail across the rocks of Manitoba and northern Ontario are the only way to get western Canadian oil to the majority of the Canadian consumers if the us decides to turn off line 5 and you can bet the trump admin knows it

That be the best thing to happen. The rest of the country needs a slap in the face

 

[Ungrateful]

It’s really sad to see pro-Trump apologists in this thread. Does a gun tariff suck, yes it does. But you know what a ton of things were tariffed. Guess what if you love bourbon you can’t even buy it, like full ban, in many provinces now. Canada didn’t start this, Trudeau didn’t start this, Trump started this.

We need to stand together as Canadians. Trudeau has resigned. It’s actually embarrassing seeing so many of you saying Trudeau caused the Trump tariffs. Do you see what Trump is doing in the rest of the world, in his own country? No one would have stopped this. I’m a proud gun owner, but I have a brain.

I don’t think there are many “pro-trump” Canadians left after yesterday. It’s true that trump started it but Trudeaus retaliation tarrifs caused equal amount of pain this side of the border as what trumps tarrifs caused that side of the border. A better response would have been export tariffs or just cutting off select exports that would hurt them the most and us the least but what do I know

 

[Chase.adams]

Appreciate the info, agree and hope it's short lived.

 

[Jeff_C]

Do the tariffs apply to guns made in a different country but owned by an American company? For example the Browning 825 is made in Japan but Browning is an American company.

Any clarification on this?

 

[Corfius]

Do the tariffs apply to guns made in a different country but owned by an American company? For example the Browning 825 is made in Japan but Browning is an American company.

Any clarification on this?

Nope so far the trade war is with USA vs Canada/Mexico and China.

Never thought we would be put in the same basket as those 2...

 

[Janeau]

My understanding of this is, if shipping occurs from a US company - tarifs apply.
The US company make the sale and get the money.No exemption on country of manufacture.

 

[Ungrateful]

Do the tariffs apply to guns made in a different country but owned by an American company? For example the Browning 825 is made in Japan but Browning is an American company.

Any clarification on this?

The way it’s worded, only products made in the us. If it doesn’t pan out that way, Canadian importers could import directly from the country where it’s made. An example would be fn brownings. Made in Belgium, imported to the us, then imported to Canada. They could be imported directly from Belgium to Canada. If there is money to be saved Canadian importers will find a way to do it

 

[Ungrateful]

My understanding of this is, if shipping occurs from a US company - tarifs apply.

It is pretty much sh1t in a Kleenex throw it up in the air and see where it lands at this point. I think it sounds like only us manufactured products. If Canadian importers can find a way to save money by shipping around the us they will do it

 

[209jones]

Even if the gov't wants the eastern pipeline built, or the northern gateway, it'll take time, a lot of time. Need a project on the scale of the Alaska Hwy in WW2, with about the same consideration of the land, people and the provinces as back then, basically none, which requires a gov't with the balls and money to do it, of which, we have neither. And we need the icebreakers for anything in Hudson's Bay, which would need a shipbuilding program to build those, or a pile of money to buy them somewhere which will probably take 10 yrs to build, if we're suddenly endowed with the loot. Probably need conscription to build all that in Canada, in any useful time frame.

 

[HeadDamage]

Turn off the oil and let those equalization payments turn around and come back to Alberta and Sask. Ok, I know that isn't likely to happen.