EE seems to have surplus of VX5-HD’s?

KodiakHntr said:
Never had to check your zero before a hunt? Never had to make an adjustment to your Leupolds? Impressive if so.
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You never check/confirm zero before a hunt??? That is not good!
I always go to the range before heading out on a hunting trip other than weekly day trips and so far so good I never missed a game with my setups!!
If you never had to re zero a rifle ever in your life you probably don’t hunt much, I mean hunting caribou and sheep in August at +20c and hunting bison at -30c your point of impact will most likely change so yes a check/confirm zero before hunts!
 
KodiakHntr said:
So yes then? You have had to make adjustments because zero didn’t stay where you left it? Or no?
Never made an adjustment and then had subsequent rounds move more or less than it should have?

How many rounds in a year are you putting downrange on average through the rock solid Leupold? Genuinely curious about that, especially considering you must be chucking big hunks of lead slowly if you are +3 at 100 and “bang on at 200”…. Perhaps you should consider dialing instead of Kaintucky Wind Age, make those 250 yard pokes a little more precise. Just a thought.

No clue what being a union worker has to do with anything though?
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It is common practice to do 2.5-3” high at 100m for a “normal” hunting rifle, 308, 30-06, 9.3x62 etc of course if you use light for caliber bullets then that will change bit for me it’s heavy for caliber bullets most times and that work real well… cause twirling turrets and xmass tree reticles army for me! I like to keep things simple!
But you do you and well I’ll do me and I’m ok with that!!
 
Hand Skills said:
Leupys work just fine for most people, and that is a fact.

Growing up I was taught to check my zero if the rifle suffered an impact or drop.

Most of the time it was fine, but sometimes a few clicks of adjustment were required. I just accepted that as fact. "Why" isn't really important when you can just shoot a couple rounds, make an adjustment (or not!), and carry on hunting. Who cares whether the action shifted in the stock, maybe the scope shifted sligjtly in the rings, maybe the bases shifted on the receiver. If the rifle shoots where you point it, go hunting!

Right or wrong, that was my paradigm for the better part of 2 decades.

Sighting in at the beginning of the season an 1-½" 3 shor groups was perfectly acceptable, and it want uncommon to adjust the scope a few clicks one way or the other when sighting in at the beginning of the season. Other variables were at play maybe the action had been out of the stock for cleaning, maybe there was a change in ammunition.

For a 300yd-and-in hunter with a 'set and forget' scope, the reticle shift 'return to zero' is making mountains out of molehill to a great extent.

Put a lightweight scope on a lightweight rifle and most shooters can't shoot the difference.

I agree 100% that a 2lb scope has no place on a light hunting rifle!

That being said, when I moved to Saskatchewan (over 10yrs ago now), portable rangefinders had become accessible and I started to get interested interested in longer range shooting. Having Coyotes stopout at 500yd got me inspired, seeing 200 class mule deer at 700yd got me committed.

I moved away from Leupolds when I got interested in dialing. and it was driven by my progression as a shooter. Now I shoot a 10rnd group to zero, I ensure my scope rings are concentric. I epoxy bed scope bases that are not pinned to the receiver. There is a lot more that goes into setting up a 'bombproof' rifle than simply selecting the scope

I'd like to continue, but this reply has taken me over 24hrs to compose - little bits at a time 🤣

So ill close wit this. For me its about getting better, better as a shooter and more capable as a hunter. Here is an interesting link explaining the 'How' and 'Why' of drop testing for anyone interested.

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/scope-field-eval-explanation-and-standards.246775/

Leupolds still work fine for the majority of hunters, and that's just fine with me!
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100% agrees, and I don’t know if the new Leupolds with exposed turrets that are meant to twirl are anu good and I don’t really care cause I don’t own any and I won’t own any. I usually keep my shots inside 300m and to be honest the place I hunt are usually tight so 300m is a long shot and if it’s longer than that I usually can close the gap or at least always been able to!
Everything is a compromise, always! For exemple my favorite reticle is a German #1, not many understand why… I just like it, of course it’s on a hunting rifle not a prs or what ever the name of the discipline is hahaha rifle!
 
DGY said:
It is common practice to do 2.5-3” high at 100m for a “normal” hunting rifle, 308, 30-06, 9.3x62 etc of course if you use light for caliber bullets then that will change bit for me it’s heavy for caliber bullets most times and that work real well… cause twirling turrets and xmass tree reticles army for me! I like to keep things simple!
But you do you and well I’ll do me and I’m ok with that!!
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Not many cartridges are zeroed at 3” high at 100, and then deadnuts on at 200, which was the claim made.

As per checking zero, my killing rifles typically get shot weekly, year round, so any abnormality would show up way before a “hunting trip”.

However, that weren’t the conversation….
 
boxhitch said:
not to say this is what you are reffering too, but...

I see that at the range every year, guys chasing a zero poi with only single shots on target instead of adjusting to center of a group
I bet many wind up right back at the initial setting but blame the scope for having to waste a precious box of 20
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Pretty common with the “3 rounds and it’s good for the season” crowd for sure. That is more an indication that a lot of guys don’t shoot enough to really know where their rifle is actually zeroed though.

And it doesn’t change the fact that some scopes reliably hold zero and track accurately, and some don’t. Too bad that some folks take that being pointed out as an insult to their lineage.
 
Busted a VX 5 today; or more accurately came to grips with it today. It doesn’t have 50 shots under its belt. With the benefit of hind-sight the first signs of trouble was at 20 or less, but between a new to me rifle, a new scope and working on loads it sort of got lost in the static.

Apparently a 7 Allen Magnum taking 195 Berger ELOs up to 3350 fps with 103 grains of RL33 in an 8 pound rifle is a mean thing to do to a scope🤣. Who woulda thunk it?

Shooting steel Mark 4 rings and the Defiance rail loose was a pretty good hint though. Red Loctiteing the base down and putting 4 rings on it failled to restore happiness, I started out with 1/2 MOA accuracy at 600, ended up with shots jumping back and forth 3-4 MOA from shot to shot at 125 is whats happening now. Off to Korth it goes. It might not go back on.
 
Seems everyone is clearing out their gen 1 leupolds for the newer gen 2 leupold scopes? Lots of retailers are putting on sales right now on gen 1's. I have run all different brands of scopes over the years, and I am slowly changing over to leupolds, from bushnells, burris vortex. I run 3, 2.5-8x36 leupolds, 2 HD models, and 1 in the i model. I also have 3, vx3I's in 2-10 and 2 in 3-15x 40. Never have lost zero with any of them. Moosin
 
The people who thought they got a deal on VX5HD's from Bass Pro bought GEN1 models....the GEN2 iteration which is current is just starting to trickle into Canada. They have upgraded quick detach CDS dials that require no tools to swap out and have bigger numbers on them. They also come with a juicy price jump from GEN1 as well.
 
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DinduNuffin said:
The people who thought they got a deal on VX5HD's from Bass Pro bought GEN1 models....the GEN2 iteration which is current is just starting to trickle into Canada. They have upgraded quick detach CDS dials that require no tools to swap out and have bigger numbers on them. They also come with a juicy price jump from GEN1 as well.
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I honestly don't mind the old gen1 cds dial for that price.
 
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No iron in the VX5 debate.

I’ve been happy with the last new Leupold I bought a VX 3i 3.5-10x40 CDS which was around the $700 and change mark before taxes. It’s sat snugly atop my 700 Mtn in Talley LW lows for almost a decade without issue. CDS is still unclaimed believe it or not..

Last few years, I’ve been slowly acquiring older Leups ie; FX II/III’s, M8’s or VX 2’s. Even grabbed a Redfield Leupolution recently (by all accounts a VX2 depending on what read/believe on the webz) to have around. Ya, the M8, VX2, FX’s and Revolution are older tech.. but they’re solidly built and are well suited to what I would need them for and usually had for decent prices these days.

Same can be said for the Bushy Elite 4200 2.5-10x40 I have. Certainly not light by any means at a 1lb+, but it has sat atop from 270W up to 300WM/300WSM & 300 WbyMag on Remingtons, Tikkas, Savages and Weatherby without fail since new. It has become my Timex/Eveready scope.. just keep on ticking/marching along.. I keep it around for those rifles or calibers I grab that I may/may not be convinced completely on but willing to try without having to fork over a ridiculous amount for new optics at the onset for.

With today’s prices being what they are for optics, sometimes “new & improved” isn’t always better. I certainly feel for those who have had issues with the G1 VX5’s after forking out that kinda $$$ for them.
 
One dealer I saw was blowing out Gen1’s for a stupid cheap price, I don’t think their stock lasted more than a few days.
I wish I picked one up buy I just spent a ton of cash that week and never had an abundance of happy money to take advantage of it.
I would suspect some of the NIB offerings are from these sales from guys looking to make a quick $500 (or so) by flipping them.
Nice scopes, personally I like the Gen 1 more than the Gen 2. Tool less turrets for more money doesn’t speak to me.
 
boxhitch said:
3-15 is a nice power range for a hunting scope, and $2K for a firedot sounds good


would be interesting to get some word from Korth on this
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You would have to contact Korth Group directly for those answers. 1-403-938-3255

They are no longer a sponsor here on Gunnutz!......:(
 
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Hand Skills said:
Just stating facts.

Swarovski has an excellent reputation and excellent customer service.

Durability wise, I don't see them as an upgrade over Leupold, however.

Khales, Swaro's sister company, is swaro glass in a mil spec chassis, for example...
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I have both ,leupold has gone off the wall with there prices .. ive got swars from 20 plus yrs ago that leupold hasnt caught up with ,but im not talking military, as i only use them for hunting......
 
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