EESA Three Gun match

Do you want a EESA 3 gun match /

  • HELL YES!! 3 gun is more fun!

    Votes: 40 81.6%

  • No.........I only shoot IPSC handgun

    Votes: 3 6.1%

  • I want a HUGE EESA handgun match plus small 3 gun

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • Total voters
    49
My .02

The main difference between the Storm and all the other guns at the two 3 - guns I shot...was reliability. At EOHC, 9 people shot the Storm and it didn't fail once. All the Garands, SKS'a and even the AR's were jamming, failing to feed etc...

At EOHC, there was no single position that required more than 5 rounds. Steve designed it to take away any advantange of using 10 round mags...no advantage to the Storm

At ESSA, there was an advantage on the first stage (first poistion prone) and no advantage on the last stage. The feild course was close. There were positions with more than 5 shots. Over all...a slight advantage to the Storm.

I agree with you on balance...but keep in mind that any target at 125 meters or more...is pretty much an "unvitation" for anyone using a pistol caliber rifle. I could see putting them out to about 150 and giving the option of running to a closer position...that would be intersting...and mean.

But yes...if the target are all grouped in 3's and 4's (two rounds each) and 75 meters or under...the Storms are going to kick ass...

I just got my Olympic Arms AR15 that takes the Glock 22 mags...nice. The trigger is better than the Storm but the Storm is much easier to shoot (better ergonomics) It's much more pistol like...
 
I do not plan on making a Stoirm killer stage. But as you said there must be something to provide a counter to the obvious advanage that the Storm presents.

Like you said.......you can try and shoot longer distances or run closer with your storm.

I am also trying to figure out which divisions to accept.
 
About rifle divisions...

In handgun, there is really no such thing as a "real" pistol that uses optics. For all intents and purposes, pistols use iron sights. So having divisions separating "real" guns from high priced toys that take friggin' batteries makes sense to this dummy.

In rifle, in this day and age, just about every sportsman and modern army uses some sort of optic. I would tend to lump all the rifle shooters together.

I might even do the same thing for shotgun, were it up to me.

But, you put on a hell of a match last time, I'm sure this one wil be no different.
 
I would be in for a 3 gun match, and would drag along at least 2 other shooters, we shoot IDPA all year around at Galt/Sharon/Burlington-etc, time to sight in the CQB for longer ranges-LOL

gadget
 
Ottawa only recognized Open for rifle and shotgun which was unfair to STD shooters.

EESA recognized everything which was silly in the end because it ended up with divisions with only one participant.

I think that next time I might for STD and OPEN only for rifle and shotgun.

Now to decide on a Date and get it in the schedule.

Sept 16th and 17th???
 
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Geeeezzzz, how times change.
I can remember being pretty much run out of a 3-gun for having the nerve to show up with a beretta storm:confused:
 
stormbringer said:
Ottawa only recognized Open for rifle and shotgun which was unfair to STD shooters.

EESA recognized everything which was silly in the end because it ended up with divisions with only one participant.

I think that next time I might for STD and OPEN only for rifle and shotgun.

Now to decide on a Date and get it in the schedule.

Sept 16th and 17th???
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That's what we do. Open and Standard.

As for rifle stages; Last year, we stuck tight to the IPSC rules for rifle, which meant no more than 4 rounds visible from any shooting position, plus we shot clay pigeons at 60 yards in a long course. (you don't need distance, small targets at closer ranges work too) These stages seriously favored true rifles, not pistol caliber long guns. There was a long course that was up close and personal, the pistol caliber long guns could have had a slight advantage, reloading only every second time you moved, but if you were proficient with an AR - it would have been negligable.

If you use the 4 round rule and balance long and short courses and go up and down in range, each long gun type (pistol cal. or traditional) will have its advantages and disadvantages and the match winner will go to the person best with the long gun they choose. It makes for great competition.
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
That's what we do. Open and Standard.

but if you were proficient... it would have been negligable.


...the match winner will go to the person best with the long gun they choose.
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Halleluja!!! There's someone else who gets it! Simplify the whole thing...
I've run action/combat matches where the only difference in division was if someone was shooting a revolver.. Everyone "run what they brung"
and surprisingly it often meant #### as to who was more competitive based on their gun(s) of choice.... More than once a revolver shooter won out over everyone else. even in matches thar wheren't particularly "revolver friendly"...
Much to the embarassment of the auto-loader shooters who assume they have the upper hand due to their 10 shots over a meesly 6...
:p
 
C Broad Arrow said:
When will forms be ready so we can book?
Are their motels nearby? Campgounds? etc?
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Primative camping on site.

I have a large lot at home that can accomodate 2-3 trailers ( if my wife lets me)

There is a motel about 5 minutes away. That is where the Ottawa crew stayed last year. I think it was $70 or so but a group could book the whole place cheaper.

St. Thomas is 20 minutes away.

London is 25 minutes away.
 
I wasn't gonna jump into this but I just gotta!

Storm... I'll be there for sure, let us know the dates ASAP...I'm back to shift work now and back on the road (hopefully back in Orillia) in the very near future so I might need to book it off.:(

I agree with Quigley, Freedom and 667 that the Storm does not offer a huge advantage other than slightly faster follow up shots due to the recoil being less than the 5.56 ( before anyone jumps on me,I oughta know, I teach both MP5 and C8 to police and Mil).:rolleyes:

I prefer the Short AR's but they gotta be lubed right, have good mags and be well taken care of to run everytime (and knowing how to run one helps!). I also saw the AR's and Garand's calf at EOHC and I chalked it up to either poor maintenance, old worn out guns or a shooter who had no clue how to run an AR (not Heath... his gun decided to break parts that day!).:(

In the case of Quigley's I would have to say that the 10 rounders are a great advantage, the fewer mag changes, the more time saved, even if there were fewer than 6 shots from one spot. What I think was the real clincher on his was the Eotech. The Eotech is an awesome optic and definitely (to me) faster than my Reflex or a Comp M2 or Comp M4.

Oh, and Bartledan and Quigley did well with the CX4 because their boney-girl-arms just can't handle the weight or punishing recoil of an AR!:eek: :D

Trit
 
tritium said:
Oh, and Bartledan and Quigley did well with the CX4 because their boney-girl-arms just can't handle the weight or punishing recoil of an AR!:eek: :D

Trit
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Plus we're both tall enough to see over the Hard Cover :D

...and just where the bloody hell have yo been for the last 3 months :confused:
 
And, never forget that Trit has to take 3 steps and skip a little on the last to match one of our paces, Quig. Makes him a bit slow getting from position to position.

If we tied our laces together, we'd handicap down to his speed, don't you think? Or maybe put shoes on our knees?
 
Oh, and the 10 round pistol mags in the Storm reload faster, fit in speed rig pouches (no sooper ninja magpul nonsense), and go hand-meets-hand to seat.

It is completely fine with this guy if y'all want to pretend that the AR is the best platform. You keep right on truckin' bros! I don't mind winning your matches!
 
Quig and Bartledan...:rolleyes:

Hmm.... I heard alot of crap from you two in the last two posts but I'm just not seeing the mystical shooting performance that you two spout off about when we're out..... oh well... everyone needs a fantasy.....;)

Fellow CGNer's the opinions expressed by these two miscreants are simply those of two men who have a substance dependency on crack. This can clearly be seen and is strongly manifested by their internet bravado, their constance references to how good they are (clearly nothing but fantasy) and lastly..while they may be taller than I (I'm 5'7" they are both 6'3"), the two of them are built like your typical crack addict with the shoulders of a carp, the arms of a sparrow and the combinded body weights of two mal-nourished lampry eels.:p

Dan... I'll see you at the Uni!:D

Oh, when are you guys shooting this weekend at the RA?:rolleyes:

Sorry for the hijack Stormy but I just couldn't handle their non-sensical ramblings any longer.

Trit
 
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