El Presidente
- Thread starter PeterPan
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It seems you did not read the part where if you use the 3 sec delay and press or relaese the button at or about the standby command, you are no longer controlling the start, the TIMER is. This is generally perceived as a poor practice weither the shooter can see the timer or not.
If you always do it just at a point somewhere before " standby" the smart shooters will see your pattern and jump the beep. You just don't know it because they don't tell you they did it!
To start a shooter correctly, set the timer to instant, ( or hold the yellow timer for the 3 sec to go to instant) give the commands and some where between 1 and 3 seconds ( which you vary a little for each shooter) you release the timer to beep when you want.
This gives everybody a fair and even start beep, that is all we want!
I've noticed over the years that the guys who consistently try to jump the timer or over-game a stage or take some freaky, twisted up start position because they think it's faster almost ALWAYS end up tanking stage after stage. They never win anything so I figure, why worry about it? There's no need trying to punish these people because they are punishing themselves plenty already. It's Darwinism at its best!
- Location
- Halifax - NS
If an RO hands out a creeping penalty in Canada, he'd best be ready for a chat from the people up the chain.
We run timers on instant mode.
If a shooter is not in position - don't release the start button.
If you do, you started him in the wrong position, you stop him and you call a re shoot. Range Equipment Failure - You.
If a shooter won't get into position after a few polite reminders, clear him and send him to the back of the line.
Plain and Simple - no games required.
We run timers on instant mode.
If a shooter is not in position - don't release the start button.
If you do, you started him in the wrong position, you stop him and you call a re shoot. Range Equipment Failure - You.
If a shooter won't get into position after a few polite reminders, clear him and send him to the back of the line.
Plain and Simple - no games required.
10.2.6 does not exist in Canada anymore?
I did have 1 last summer,witnessed and agreed to by the RM
the competitor start his hands moving JUST before the beep
If I remeber right it made no differce to the score (mikes) on a 5 to 10 sec stage
I do agree someone who moves before the timer should be restarted
But if you can't stop them in time they pay for it
Good point of view....I like the Darwinism theory!
Mind you, if I see someone slowly creeping the hands closer and closer to the gun after "Stand by," I'll just stand there with my finger holding the button down and wait. Once in a while I'll get the accusing/irritated glance to which I reply, "Standing relaxed....."
That's usually all it takes.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
If you're running a instant mode timer, why can't you stop? (or rather, not start?)
Are you saying - "he moved twice, so next time - I'm gonna get 'em?"
I sure hope not.
It should be - "he moved twice - so next time, he's obviously not ready to run this stage."
RO's don't punish with penalties. They even the playing field where an advantage was gained.
Remember the RO Creed.
See the second part of 10.2.6 too.
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If you're running a instant mode timer, why can't you stop? (or rather, not start?)
Are you saying - "he moved twice, so next time - I'm gonna get 'em?"
I sure hope not.
It should be - "he moved twice - so next time, he's obviously not ready to run this stage."
RO's don't punish with penalties. They even the playing field where an advantage was gained.
Remember the RO Creed.
See the second part of 10.2.6 too.
Yes It was a instant release timer (yellow)
He moved just before I released the button
Before I could stop him he was shooting
10.2.6 second part says ``If the RO can stop them in the competitor in time a warning will be given for the first offence ``
So if I can not stop them in time,and as far as I`m concerned its a first offence I can (should) issue a re shoot
I would have felt better in this case
The RM happened to be on the stage at the time and agreed to a procedural penalty
This has been on my mind since it happened
I did not say he moved twice and I`m going to get himAre you saying - "he moved twice, so next time - I'm gonna get 'em?"
I sure hope not.
It should be - "he moved twice - so next time, he's obviously not ready to run this stage."
RO's don't punish with penalties. They even the playing field where an advantage was gain
See the second part of 10.2.6 too.
He moved I didnt stop him in time
The question now is ,IN THE FUTURE ,Proceedual or re shoot
ROs do have to issue penalties
It is part of the job(the bad part)
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- Location
- Halifax, NS
- Location
- Halifax - NS
I'm sure you did the right thing and your RM confirmed it.
It sounds like you're concious of the creed and that's the most important thing.
On 20 years of shooting, I've only ever met two pathetic officials who had absolutely no business carrying a timer. One this past summer and one about 8 years ago.
I'll tell you about the one from 8 years ago.
I was on an arbitration committee for someone who had been DQ'ed for clearing a malfunction with his finger on the trigger or possible an AD - we couldn't tell - the RO only wrote "DQ" on the paperwork. When we brought the RO in to tell his side, we asked him what the DQ was for. He said that the competitor had his finger on the trigger when clearing a jam. We asked him where the gun was pointed (as there was a wall of targets 5 feet from the shooting position) and he admitted it was on target. We told him he couldn't DQ someone if they were pointing at the target. His response was:
"Give me that Rule book and I'll find something".
We threw him out of the room.
