rajczak_kashka
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Get the Elcan DR. They are very good sights.
Elcan optics for my AR
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Yeah well, all I know is that I'll never put a light on my guns, cause if you follow the '4 rules', you should never point your gun at something you don't want to put holes in. Or something like that. And with a light on my gun, I would use it as an awesome flashlight with a cool handle attached and point it at everything.
And I can't wait to get me an Elcan cause its issued to the go-fast guys, so it HAS to be good.
Right?
Gunnerlove
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#s, how many are in the market in private hands?
There are far more C79 elcans in use on personal rifles and how many in the EE right now? 6 C79 and 2 Specter.
There are far more C79 elcans in use on personal rifles and how many in the EE right now? 6 C79 and 2 Specter.
Colt/XCR funding anti-gun?
Did you notice the tag line in his signature on the AR15 forum?
Buy a Colt product and a portion of that purchase goes to the UAW, the UAW funds anti-gun politicians.
Buy an XCR and some of the profit will fund the political campaign of an anti gun candidate.
Did you notice the tag line in his signature on the AR15 forum?
Buy a Colt product and a portion of that purchase goes to the UAW, the UAW funds anti-gun politicians.
Buy an XCR and some of the profit will fund the political campaign of an anti gun candidate.
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I'll go with "big reds" opinion
By pointy end I meant he was in Iraq..not 100 yards in front of the pointy end like certain crazy mofo's here..
I just provided the link because it pertained to this discussion, doesn't mean I believe it.
Some assembly required..batteries not included.
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Given my relative lack of training and experience, I try to base my opinions on things like a $2000 optic intended for combat from people who have experience with such matters. People like Reaper, Big Red, and the folks over at Lightfighter, they all say it isn't worth it. It might be a good idea to listen to them, rather than people who have only ever used the product in question on a fixed one way range here in Canada. I choose to listen to their opinions, and given my own negative experience with the C79, and the issues it has, and the similar mount between the two, I would much rather put my money into another product.
There are other 1-4x options out there, I might look into a Trijicon TR-24 down the road, but I'm going to hold off till I have an upper I can use it on and I've read reviews on it to see what, if any issues it may have.
One option besides a 1-4x you might want to look at would be an aimpoint and magnifier, I think the price is roughly the same or possibly even cheaper for the Aimpoint/Magnifier combo and the weight I believe varies from being lighter to the same depending on what model aimpoint you're using.
There are other 1-4x options out there, I might look into a Trijicon TR-24 down the road, but I'm going to hold off till I have an upper I can use it on and I've read reviews on it to see what, if any issues it may have.
One option besides a 1-4x you might want to look at would be an aimpoint and magnifier, I think the price is roughly the same or possibly even cheaper for the Aimpoint/Magnifier combo and the weight I believe varies from being lighter to the same depending on what model aimpoint you're using.
USRanger85
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Elcan Spectre DR?
I put one on my C8, never had an issue. Zero never changed from 1 - 4X. Shot fast and accurate, shooting on the move was no problem.
Maybe I had a good one.
For roughly the same price I would go for a Trijicon product first.
Used an ACOG, liked them too.
Reflex sights? I like them.
A good iron BUS and you're good to go.
Use what you can operate the weapon with.
Make sure it's dependable. Nothing worse than equipment breaking down in time of need.
I put one on my C8, never had an issue. Zero never changed from 1 - 4X. Shot fast and accurate, shooting on the move was no problem.
Maybe I had a good one.
For roughly the same price I would go for a Trijicon product first.
Used an ACOG, liked them too.
Reflex sights? I like them.
A good iron BUS and you're good to go.
Use what you can operate the weapon with.
Make sure it's dependable. Nothing worse than equipment breaking down in time of need.
Dildo, ehh I mean ditto !
Ding Ding Ding!
And we have a winner!What do you want to do with it is the first question you should be asking yourself.After you know that then you can figure out what will work best for you.
Ding Ding Ding!
What do you want to do with it is the first question you should be asking yourself.After you know that then you can figure out what will work best for you.
Finally. I will add my .02 worth here. For any professional or developemental use I still use irons. It works best for me, yes I have tried nearly every type of optic out there. For range and service rifle use I use a C79 Elcan. The fact that soldiers can break it makes me think it will be fine for my uses.
Safe to gun case to trunk of car to range take from trunk uncase on table shoot recase retrunk drive home uncase and put back into safe ...hardly highspeed. After spending several downpayments worth on geear and kit I only get what I can justify. Your threshold may be higher.
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What a mess...........Elcan haters need a support group. I have been testing the 1.5 - 6 DR for Elcan for the factory for more than a year on a 7.62 AR10. Pounding the crap out of it, into the thousands of rounds now, all weather conditions with no loss of zero. Meaford, Borden, clubs in the rain, snow, mud and even a sunny day or two. Perhaps some of the clearest glass lenses one can look through. Elcan makes the lenses on most UAV's, missiles, guidance sytems, M1A Abrams and Stryker mobile gun systems. They also do high end medical equipment lenses and camera. I don't see Trijicon, Nightforce, Leupold etc having those 60 years of optical experience and proprietary technology. I am not bashing them, simply pointing out expertise. The DR series will never be a sniper scope because of the rotating lense for magnification. More traditional tube scopes will ensure your POI. But really that is not what it is designed to do. It is a combat scope to offer versatility from low/no magnification to 4x or 6x. It does that job really well. Assaulting, DMR work, target identification. It offers a great reticle with bullet drop, illumination, magnification, quality optic lense. I can pull threads out my wazoo of some guy some where who dislikes, ACOG, or Aimpoint or Eotech etc for some reason but yet I own and use all of those sights and have specific uses for each one of them.
Yes the DR is expensive, but buy a S&B with mount, or Aimpopint w/magnifier and mounts and you darn near the same money or in some cases more.
Back when Jesus was M/Cpl I only used iron sights in the CF on the C1A1 and was pretty sure stuff at the other end was going to get hit. 25 years later, the C7, C8 and C79 have evolved. The DR was selected by SOCOM as an option after careful testing. I know folks who have used it in the Stan and have no complaints. Is their tier one SF experience devalued because "someone said so and so". Some guys like Chevy, some Ford, Honda or Porsche. What ever floats your boat.
If you can afford it, if you want it, buy it. If you can try one first even better, see what you like and dislike and don't worry about some keyboard junky telling you about "soemthing they read" somewhere. Informed yes, led down the path no.
Have fun shooting,
Best Regards,
Pete
Yes the DR is expensive, but buy a S&B with mount, or Aimpopint w/magnifier and mounts and you darn near the same money or in some cases more.
Back when Jesus was M/Cpl I only used iron sights in the CF on the C1A1 and was pretty sure stuff at the other end was going to get hit. 25 years later, the C7, C8 and C79 have evolved. The DR was selected by SOCOM as an option after careful testing. I know folks who have used it in the Stan and have no complaints. Is their tier one SF experience devalued because "someone said so and so". Some guys like Chevy, some Ford, Honda or Porsche. What ever floats your boat.
If you can afford it, if you want it, buy it. If you can try one first even better, see what you like and dislike and don't worry about some keyboard junky telling you about "soemthing they read" somewhere. Informed yes, led down the path no.
Have fun shooting,
Best Regards,
Pete
ptr, I don't think anyone is arguing with the quality of Elcan's glass, most complaints of the Elcan I've heard are in regards to the mount, though there is the issue people have been having with the zero shifting when switching between magnification settings. Good to hear you haven't been having issues with the one you're testing.
Reaper, is there any chance you can give us a rundown of the problems your unit had with the testing, especially numbers on how many you had and how many were having problems?
Reaper, is there any chance you can give us a rundown of the problems your unit had with the testing, especially numbers on how many you had and how many were having problems?
TSE is starting to carry some of the ACOGs as well - unfortunately they sell out fairly fast when they do get a shipment in. ( there are a number in stock currently for the ~1200 mark)
I've taken a look though the Trijicon TR24s? too, and they seem to be a decent, lightweight, inexpensive option for a varriable 1-4 with an illuminated triangle 'dot'.
As already stated, you should narrow your parameters a bit more, as there is a good cross section of shooters here who have good experience with most stuff out there that may or may not be ideal to the tasks you have in mind.
The new Trijicon 1-4x line is in a class by itself, in terms of quality and price nothing touch`s them. The green chevron or dot blow away their old line and the competition.
I love the chevron but if you want some BDC lines get the german green dot version.
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