Election Over Can The SCAR FRT Be Released?

My friend has his .22 rifle at the RCMP, has been waiting for at LEAST 6 months?

When he got back from his military course in Ottawa, he gave them a call (They were missing something and he had to send it back out to them, of course they didn't volunteer this info) and they told him another 2 months at least, and that's with it at the top of the queue (or so they told him).

The RCMP bloat the process out to the point where its impossible to do anything. It should take at MOST half a week to receive a gun, test its components, test fire and issue an FRT....

Im betting that the RCMP have been holding out till the election as well, at this point we need to contact our MP's and get them to start barking orders at the RCMP to get stuff done.

Mike Lake has spoken on my friends behalf several times (which is how he got all the info he had), so get your MP's to start sending out letters and making phone calls. THAT is their job!
 
Would be great to hear more from the RCMP as to why it's taking so long. But who am I kidding, I'd rather just not know, than put up with one of their illegitimate reasons...
 
Well the whole FIASCO is a prime example of NO Accountability in a GOV Dept.The wait for this firearm to be
classified is just not reasonable. Now I believe they are pursuing the idea that it can be converted "full auto", which in
my opinion is just like searching for the "Holy Grail".Without cooperation from FN this could be indefinite???

Quite frankly given the fact that the same rifle has been for sale in the US civilian market for 2 years, tells me that this is just a "witch hunt" and it is not based in any kind of real fact.

I've contacted Questar several times and there are never any updates, that coupled with a cancellation fee leaves me just having to "wait out" the RCMP and not really knowing if this will ever have an ending? There is absolutely no "ball park" of a time frame for when it may/may not be approved???
So it may show up in a week or a year?? until then I have $4100 in Questars bank account and no rifle.

I would never enter into this kind of an arrangement ever again and it is definitely "buyer beware".

Having one's "own agenda" is one thing, but exercising it in a GOV dept, that is funded by tax payers is reprehensible, and should not be tolerated.Shame on the RCMP.
 
mildot said:
Well the whole FIASCO is a prime example of NO Accountability in a GOV Dept.The wait for this firearm to be
classified is just not reasonable. Now I believe they are pursuing the idea that it can be converted "full auto", which in
my opinion is just like searching for the "Holy Grail".Without cooperation from FN this could be indefinite???

Quite frankly given the fact that the same rifle has been for sale in the US civilian market for 2 years, tells me that this is just a "witch hunt" and it is not based in any kind of real fact.

I've contacted Questar several times and there are never any updates, that coupled with a cancellation fee leaves me just having to "wait out" the RCMP and not really knowing if this will ever have an ending? There is absolutely no "ball park" of a time frame for when it may/may not be approved???
So it may show up in a week or a year?? until then I have $4100 in Questars bank account and no rifle.

I would never enter into this kind of an arrangement ever again and it is definitely "buyer beware".

Having one's "own agenda" is one thing, but exercising it in a GOV dept, that is funded by tax payers is reprehensible, and should not be tolerated.Shame on the RCMP.
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I agree with pretty much everything you wrote... all true, except for one item. You were specifically asked straight up by me (a couple months ago), if you wanted to cancel your purchase and get a full refund (no cancellation fee)... you very clearly replied that you did NOT want to cancel your purchase.

We are as frustrated as you in this matter. We have far more money tied up than you do. If we had updates to give you we would give them... we simply don't. Our phone messages and emails requesting "updates" usually go unanswered. We are somewhat powerless thanks to the legislation that sets no time requirements on the RCMP/CFC to classify a firearm. Until they either refuse to issue a registration certificate or issue a classification we don't agree with, we can't even legally take them to court to argue it.

The only process set out in the legislation is the Section 74 hearing... and to get that we need the Registrar to either refuse our registration request (which they have not done) or issue a classification/registration that we wish to dispute. Until then we're rather powerless and just as angry as everyone else.

If we've overlooked some process to force the RCMP to act then I'd be more than willing to hear about it. In the meantime we continue to offer any assistance possible to help them resolve 'issues' or questions, including facilitating their communication with FN... we also continue to pester them to insure that the file is not 'forgotten'.

Mark
 
I agree with pretty much everything you wrote... all true, except for one item. You were specifically asked straight up by me (a couple months ago), if you wanted to cancel your purchase and get a full refund (no cancellation fee)... you very clearly replied that you did NOT want to cancel your purchase.
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That's true, however right around the time that discussion was going on it was communicated that the firearm would be approved and classified as "restricted" by barrel length. Hence my dilemma.

Is the offer still on the table?
 
CanAm said:
We have a gun in for FRT assignment for over a year now. It may be time to file a writ to compel action.
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How can that be!? I really do not understand... I know the RCMP does not like guns, I know that they are government and doomed to be slow and biased, and all the other reasons. But common, this is blatent disregard for what they think shouldn't be out there because it suits their needs best. The RCMP work for us and we are participating in a legal activity that supports jobs and taxes.

Could a petition do anything if we had all CGNers sign?

This really, REALLY pisses me off! :mad:
 
mildot said:
That's true, however right around the time that discussion was going on it was communicated that the firearm would be approved and classified as "restricted" by barrel length. Hence my dilemma.

Is the offer still on the table?
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Sure... I'm in the office right now... send me an email (not a PM and not a posting), saying in writing that you want to cancel your SCAR order (so we have a written record of that for our files). Supply your Invoice #/name info and I'll have Derek process a refund cheque. Should be on the way to you later today or tomorrow.

Mark
 
Sure... I'm in the office right now... send me an email (not a PM and not a posting), saying in writing that you want to cancel your SCAR order (so we have a written record of that for our files). Supply your Invoice #/name info and I'll have Derek process a refund cheque. Should be on the way to you later today or tomorrow.

Mark
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Thanks, I'll need some more time for reflection though.
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We are somewhat powerless thanks to the legislation that sets no time requirements on the RCMP/CFC to classify a firearm. Until they either refuse to issue a registration certificate or issue a classification we don't agree with, we can't even legally take them to court to argue it.
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Obviously this needs to get in the new legislation. Most civilized countries have due process, transparency, accountability, timeliness, and recourse. We have non of that. Contact those who can write that into the legislation.
 
Kinda ironic, you can go to your MP and get a passport ASAP or visa's to get your family here, however a business can't get an answer for a process that they rely on? Talk about disconnected and broken!!
 
Only 1 year and you are complaining? In December of 2005 I had my local firearms officer over to verify 3 home-built guns I had made: 2 AR15s made from 80% kits, and a semi auto sten. The sten took 2 years plus of getting no real answers, until out of the blue a registration cert showed up. Suspecting something was wrong, I contacted the registry, and sure enough, the cert was an error. It took another year to make the changes necessary, and then I submitted the sten to them, which they said should be done by June. June came and went, and it was not until December that it finally came back approved. It took just 3 years.

I was not so lucky with the AR15s.

The two ARs are still waiting the issue of certs, 5-1/2 years later (and counting). They called for info and photos last spring (the firearms officer had taken pics back in 2005), and then it went back into the black hole called a registry.Oh yeah, I had 30 days to supply the info or they would cancel the registration process.

Standards of service? Accountability? Yeah right.
 
stencollector said:
Only 1 year and you are complaining?
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Yeah, because it's actually closer to 2 years, now involves two guns (ACR and the SCAR) and there are 30 of us with over $120k tied-up in this (not too mention whatever additional costs Saskatoon Gun Works, Questar and any ACR owners have incurred). And these weren't "home built" - these were standard commercial imports - hence the concern over the obscenely ridiculous amount of time this is taking. The ACR was actually already previously approved, too - so that's almost as much of a Gong Show.
 
blaxsun said:
Yeah, because it's actually closer to 2 years, now involves two guns (ACR and the SCAR) and there are 30 of us with over $120k tied-up in this (not too mention whatever additional costs Saskatoon Gun Works, Questar and any ACR owners have incurred). And these weren't "home built" - these were standard commercial imports - hence the concern over the obscenely ridiculous amount of time this is taking. The ACR was actually already previously approved, too - so that's almost as much of a Gong Show.
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Its the last card in their hand ... delay.
 
Gothmog said:
Its the last card in their hand ... delay.
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Yep, THIS is why we need to get our MP's into the ball game.

The RCMP getting calls from us, or even Questar or a big gun shop that provides lots of tax revenue to the gov. means diddly squat to them.

Getting a call from a member of Parliament demanding WHY they are preventing said tax revenue from being received puts them into panic mode.

Mark (from questar) Im not sure whom your MP is (weather he is conservative or not, he IS your government representation), but I would write him a nice letter (even if you've done so before) stating you are en employer of X number of people and bring in XX number of taxable dollars each year, and that the RCMP has been specifically holding over a hundred thousand dollars of taxable merchandise that they refuse to release.

I know you've probably done all this kinda stuff already, but writing an actual letter and getting your MP's head in the game about TAX MONEY puts a different spin on things sometimes. A good MP WILL absolutely fight for you on stuff like this, as I said before Mike Lake has helped my friend out quite a few times in getting the RCMP's attention, and he is just a one-man business at this point. (please dont take any of this as criticism, again im sure you have jumped through all the hoops before, but just to put this stuff out there :) )
 
Agree. Beside Ajax what others? I think we should write a letter to the MP concerning the whole situation. Not only to SCAR but also for ACR and other firearms that take forever to get a classification. If We can collect our signature in CGN if it will be the best. I hope Questar and Saskatoon gunwork can support the move by providing the detail of the timing issues also. I believe if we have to act it is the best time now. Otherwise the RCMP can easily delay for another 4 years and we will have a new election. Any other advice?
 
Our angle should center on procedural fairness, procedural justice, natural justice, due process. Look up these terms and discuss. By any stretch of the imagination, we have none of it.
 
Just a small update to my post about my buddy's .22

Just today, he got an Email from the FRT guys that his rifle has been issued an FRT for Non restricted! A week after we win, and his .22 gets classified.



So again, its pretty obvious they were waiting out and hoping for something other than a CPC majority, now its out time to act, and really put the pressure on our MP's (and the RCMP) to get these things done!
 
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