ELEY Ammo Testing Facilities

Lots of talk of whether to clean the bawrill when shooting rimfires.
Some say leaf'im dirty.
T'uthers say to brush them after xyz firings.
What do the Korth Bunch do on this?

So many differing opinions on this one...

We follow Eley's lead and test the barrel as it arrives to us. This eliminates any potential issues with cleaning the barrel (possibly differently than how the owner cleans their firearm). To date, the condition of the bore has not negatively affected the results of our testing.
It is possible that a thorough cleaning after testing may alter the accuracy of the barrel. However, with the current lot of high quality barrels in the market, the results should not see much change.

KGL
 
So many differing opinions on this one...

We follow Eley's lead and test the barrel as it arrives to us. This eliminates any potential issues with cleaning the barrel (possibly differently than how the owner cleans their firearm). To date, the condition of the bore has not negatively affected the results of our testing.
It is possible that a thorough cleaning after testing may alter the accuracy of the barrel. However, with the current lot of high quality barrels in the market, the results should not see much change.

KGL

This sounds like an endorsement of not cleaning the bore.

Do the serious shooters who test for competition shooting have clean bores when they arrive for testing? Do any of them clean during testing? Or are they indifferent about cleaning the bore?
 
This sounds like an endorsement of not cleaning the bore.

Do the serious shooters who test for competition shooting have clean bores when they arrive for testing? Do any of them clean during testing? Or are they indifferent about cleaning the bore?

It is, to an extent. Some shooters scrub their bore after each event. Others will only when accuracy drops off.

Our take is we want to showcase how Eley will outshoot their current ammo (which has also been Eley in some cases). If their bore is conditioned to shoot the best with their control ammo, we want to test with this bore condition. The test will be of little value if we change the bore condition, which may alter how their control ammo functions (for accuracy).

We did have one rifle arrive with a heavy amount of oil in the bore (had been freshly cleaned). Fortunately, we caught this before testing... we do not want to send rifles back with a ring in the barrel. LOL

KGL
 
If I were to do a test like this my bore would arrive squeaky clean. I'm testing the performance of ELEY ammo. I don't need a fouled up barrel with SK lube in it! After all, the objective is to find a lot of ELEY ammo that shoots well out of your rifle. OR....at the very least I'd clean my barrel and then run a box of Tenex through it prior to running the test.

Or....maybe I'm just crazy....???? :cool:
 
It is, to an extent. Some shooters scrub their bore after each event. Others will only when accuracy drops off.

Our take is we want to showcase how Eley will outshoot their current ammo (which has also been Eley in some cases). If their bore is conditioned to shoot the best with their control ammo, we want to test with this bore condition. The test will be of little value if we change the bore condition, which may alter how their control ammo functions (for accuracy).

We did have one rifle arrive with a heavy amount of oil in the bore (had been freshly cleaned). Fortunately, we caught this before testing... we do not want to send rifles back with a ring in the barrel. LOL

KGL

What goes into getting a bore to be "conditioned" to a certain variety of ammo? Is a conditioned bore something other than one that has only the lubricant and fouling of a particular variety of ammo?

Many shooters would contend that a clean bore can be easily conditioned to a particular ammo -- its lubricant and fouling -- by shooting foulers before testing for accuracy. How many foulers are needed? Some say five to ten will do the job, while others insist that more are needed, as many as one fouler for every inch of barrel. In any case, a barrel can shoot accurately soon after cleaning.

At the Eley facility and customer range in Texas the recommendation is to clean the bore regularly to maintain good accuracy. Dan Killough, head of Eley's customer test range in Texas, says the following:

"At ELEY, when testing a rifle we note when it is cleaned and data is collected on the fouling shots. Our engineers have crunched the numbers and come to the conclusion that cleaning is good for rimfire barrels. I’ve also drawn the same conclusion from my experience shooting Benchrest. Every barrel loses accuracy once it becomes dirty, although the point at which it loses accuracy is different for each barrel. In almost all rimfire competitions, somewhere between 25 – 100 shots are required before a competitor can easily clean their rifle. I also have not personally seen a rifle that could not shoot at least 100 rounds before losing accuracy due to fouling. So, we settled on 90-100 rounds in between cleanings."

At the Texas facility they clean prior to testing because a clean gun shoots better than a dirty gun. According to Killough, "If you’re testing your rifle with us and have a preferred cleaning routine, we will be happy to follow it. Your rifle is yours, and we will do everything we can to accommodate you."

For more details on what the Texas facility does when testing customer rifles, see h t t p s://eley.co.uk/barrel-cleaning-for-improving-your-shot/

As a result there they prefer clean barrels to those that are previously "conditioned".

Of course it is understandable that at the Okotoks facility they do not wish to spend time cleaning customer rifles, nor would they want to risk clients' concern that their barrels might be damaged by someone else cleaning them or that they should only be cleaned according to their own particular methods, some of which can be quite ritualistic.
 
Yes, this is one test I would have in mind at such a facility. You should be able to easily see how many shots it takes for a given gun to settle down after cleaning. If I were testing multiple brands of ammunition I would want to clean between each brand, so as you mention I would only be testing that ammo's lube, etc. Cross-contamination of lube could be another test. Maybe it matters, and maybe it doesn't.

Cleaning method.
Cleaning frequency.
Lube cross-contamination.
Four target testing to see behaviour of a single bullet as it passes four different distances. (Silhouette distances would be of particular interest to me, personally.)
Tuners.

I'm sure we could come up with a long list, and find many excuses to be using that facility every day, if we had all the money in the world, hehe.

edit: As for fouling/conditioning/prepping/whatevering a barrel, some guns seem to settle down quicker than others, but I like to follow the one shot per inch of barrel routine, myself. I've seen some guns settle after as little as three shots. And others where they pretty much needed all of that one shot per inch of barrel. And everywhere in between. Gotta find how a particular gun behaves, and also how it behaves with any particular ammo/lube.
 
Most 22 sessions now end with running a dry felt plug through the bore.
It must be working as the first shot is always "OTS" . . . Out There Somewhere!
Staying with Eley Match it requires at least five rounds for the bore to be reconditioned.
A squeaky clean bore required more conditioning . . . IMHO.

To show if there is a significant difference the testing facility would feasibly run the first lot through at the end of the test.
 
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