Elk or black bear with 223 softpoint?
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gonecountry
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Yep just run up to him and jump on his back and shove it in his ear.MTM said:
BOOM HEADSHOT
Don't know why someone would even think of hunting Elk or BlackBear with a 223 
, no matter the bullet. It might do the trick but come on , really 
something wrong here.
You can use whatever you want but hey, why putting all the chance against you? What purpose? Bragging about it later? There's nothing to be proud of shooting a black bear with a 223, beside that. Not ethical for sure.
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, no matter the bullet. It might do the trick but come on , really something wrong here.You can use whatever you want but hey, why putting all the chance against you? What purpose? Bragging about it later? There's nothing to be proud of shooting a black bear with a 223, beside that. Not ethical for sure.
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This is illegal from where I sit.......but I lump this in with the .357, 7.62x39,etc......quite a bit less power than 30/30 so marginal on deer...definately a no-no for anything bigger or tougher and believe me an Elk is bigger and tougher.......and no you don't need a Super Short Ultra Mag. with TSXs either! A big, wide, heavy,long bullet at almost any speed puts mister Elk down quick..whoever started this thread just wanted to get us goin' I think.
PaulT said:
Many shooters simply can't take the recoil of even a moderate recoil rifle.
Medical issues such as neck and/or spine issues, detached retinas, brittle bone disease, blood clotting disorders etc. jump to mind.
It is amazing how guys who promote using a 6.5x55 for moose find it hard to believe a .22 centrefire - which uses a bullet only 0.041" smaller in diameter than the old Swede - find it incredulous that a .22 could cleanly kill a large animal.
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if it's legal and you have the skill, go for it.
If you're looking for approval, doubt you'll get it here.
that's the sad thing. You're great hunting stories will have to be kept to yourself or else you'll be eaten. So if ya don't like to tell ya stories, right on. If ya do, substitute "325 wssm" for "223" and you should be ok!
If you're looking for approval, doubt you'll get it here.
that's the sad thing. You're great hunting stories will have to be kept to yourself or else you'll be eaten. So if ya don't like to tell ya stories, right on. If ya do, substitute "325 wssm" for "223" and you should be ok!
[quote='Boo]Many shooters simply can't take the recoil of even a moderate recoil rifle.
Medical issues such as neck and/or spine issues, detached retinas, brittle bone disease, blood clotting disorders etc. jump to mind.
It is amazing how guys who promote using a 6.5x55 for moose find it hard to believe a .22 centrefire - which uses a bullet only 0.041" smaller in diameter than the old Swede - find it incredulous that a .22 could cleanly kill a large animal.[/quote]
Now see? There you went and spoiled a perfectly good s**t-disturbing with facts and statistics. Sighhh...........
Medical issues such as neck and/or spine issues, detached retinas, brittle bone disease, blood clotting disorders etc. jump to mind.
It is amazing how guys who promote using a 6.5x55 for moose find it hard to believe a .22 centrefire - which uses a bullet only 0.041" smaller in diameter than the old Swede - find it incredulous that a .22 could cleanly kill a large animal.[/quote]
Now see? There you went and spoiled a perfectly good s**t-disturbing with facts and statistics.
Sighhh...........
gitrdun said:In Alberta, it's illegal as I think it also is in BC. What about ethics? And how in the heck do you get into a situation of "well, if you had to....I suppose". Duhhh, stay home and do some crossword puzzles, that'll give the brain a much needed work-out
Legal in BC o use *any* centerfire rifle for big game...
as far as ethics...Well, tell you what- There are a number of hunters that I know that could hunt big game much more "ethically" with a 223 and good bullets than some other hunters I know that hunt with a 30-06!
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- Back in the Peace Country
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[QUOTE='Boo]
It is amazing how guys who promote using a 6.5x55 for moose find it hard to believe a .22 centrefire - which uses a bullet only 0.041" smaller in diameter than the old Swede - find it incredulous that a .22 could cleanly kill a large animal.[/QUOTE]
FYI Swedish Moose are approx the size or our Canadian Elk.
Also their hunters spend allot of time practicing shot placement and such the other months of the year.
Besides IMHO the 6.5x55 bullet design is simply a better performer then the .223. Hold both in your hands and notice the obvious difference in length.
It is amazing how guys who promote using a 6.5x55 for moose find it hard to believe a .22 centrefire - which uses a bullet only 0.041" smaller in diameter than the old Swede - find it incredulous that a .22 could cleanly kill a large animal.[/QUOTE]
FYI Swedish Moose are approx the size or our Canadian Elk.
Also their hunters spend allot of time practicing shot placement and such the other months of the year.
Besides IMHO the 6.5x55 bullet design is simply a better performer then the .223. Hold both in your hands and notice the obvious difference in length.
Calum said:
And what size are our Canadian Elk?
Not that it really matter but what Sub-species are you talking about? EASTERN (Cervus canadensis canadensis) , ROCKY MOUNTAIN (Cervus canadensis nelsoni), ROOSEVELT (Cervus canadensis roosevelti), MANITOBAN (Cervus canadensis manitobensis).
Huh ???????? The whole thrust of this thread is to point out that bullet designs for any given cartridge can vary depending on end use. You can load a 6.5x55 with 95 grain V-Max varmint bullets and it becomes just as much a poor choice for big game as a 223 loaded with 40 grain Ballistic Tips.
If you are saying that the 6.5x55 is a better cartridge design for big game than the .223 I don't think anyone would argue. The point here however is not to point out which cartridge is optimal for any given task but rather if a certain bullet diameter would work for big game.
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Grouse Man said:
From the Maitoba Government web site -
Big Game Hunting
Firearms
Pellet Guns and Rimfire Rifles
A pellet gun or rimfire rifle (e.g., .17 or .22 calibre) may not be used to hunt big game.
Centrefire Rifles
A centrefire rifle may be used to hunt big game. A centrefire rifle of .23 calibre or less is not recommended.
In Manitoba hunting big game with a .22 centerfire is not illegal, and caribou in the north are commonly taken with .223's and .22-250's. Caribou are not very resiliant to hits from even small bullets, but I would not extend the practice to bear, elk, or moose. I personally think that a .25 caliber minimum is appropriate for big game, but there's guys here with alot of bang flops on big animals with .22's. Goes to show - it's where you put it that counts. If a hunter doesn't get out and shoot the rifle he's going to hunt with, it doesn't make alot of difference what he carries.
Maybe an elk if you were confident enough with head shots, but other than that, way to unethical. I know a guy (an idiot) who brough his wife (not a real sharpshooter by any means) on her first elk hunt with a mini-14. It took 10 shots for her to finally put the thing down, and he ended up having to finish it off with his 270. Ruined half the meat and made the poor beast suffer. Some people....
