Elk slaughter in Manitoba

No only 1 elk. The tags are issued by the MMF not Manitoba conservation. Didnt get any big game this year, the few I saw were either too old or too young. Not in it for the trophies, just the meat.
 
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Of all the Metis I know, I am the only one that hunts and I dont hunt elk. Not all Metis choose to hunt, not all aboriginals choose to hunt. There is no way of knowing what % of us hunt Elk.
 
wow and no respect for growing the population. this really gets under my skin i live at austin where there was a lot of poching and now i have just about gave up on hunting elk here
 
Enfield303 said:
No only 1 elk. The tags are issued by the MMF not Manitoba conservation. Didnt get any big game this year, the few I saw were either too old or too young. Not in it for the trophies, just the meat.
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OK, so who enforces the infractions? The MMF? I was told by a couple of game wardens that they can't charge Metis, regardless of if they have tags or not.
 
Enfield303 said:
You have a choice, but no moose untill the population rebounds. The MMF is better at conservation than Manitoba conservation LOL.
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You're wrong on this point Enfield, I believe it's four big game animals of which only 1 can be either a moose or an elk. I know lots of Metis that harvested moose this year. Unfortunately it's the ones that think they have free reign to shoot however many they want that will make all other metis hunters look bad. I just fail to understand how some people all of a sudden get so "greedy" just because they have a Harvester card. It has nothing to do with feeding your family or hunting, just plain greed from a lot of folks that used to hunt the same as everyone else, for the comraderie and enjoyment of the outdoors.
 
Here it is.

Métis hunting rights recognized – Province, MMF to ink agreement ending a decade of bitter conflictBy bsawchuk | Published: October 1, 2012
The Selinger government will formally ink a deal with Manitoba’s Métis on giving them the same hunting rights as aboriginals. Premier Greg Selinger and Manitoba Métis Federation president David Chartrand are to sign the agreement in Brandon during the MMF’s annual general assembly. The agreement ends almost a decade of bad blood between the MMF and the province and means Métis people can hunt and fish without a provincial licence, but only in certain regions of the province for now. “This is the most advanced recognition of our inherent harvesting rights anywhere in Canada,” Chartrand said Friday.
“What’s happening is one of the most far-reaching historic advancements in over a century, since our time as a people governing ourselves in the West.” First Nations people had the right in Canadian law to hunt, trap and fish for food at all seasons of the year since 1930.

Talks between the province and the MMF, which represents an estimated 100,000 Métis, started in earnest in June after Chartrand and Conservation Minister Gord Mackintosh met at a Manitoba Wildlife Federation meeting.

Mackintosh said Friday as long as Métis rights are reasonably accommodated under the province’s conservation rules — the ban on moose hunting in some areas has to be respected — there’s no reason the Métis and province can’t work together.

“It’s one more step in addressing outstanding aboriginal concerns in this province,” Mackintosh said.

Chartrand said the Métis have been pushing for their own hunting rights since 2003 when the Supreme Court of Canada ruled, in a case called the Powley decision, that a group of Métis in the Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., region had a constitutionally protected aboriginal right to harvest food for domestic purposes in the region.

Then-premier Gary Doer later said his government respected the rights of the Métis as they were outlined by the Supreme Court.

However, talks between the province and the MMF were derailed after Métis hunter Will Goodon was charged with failing to have a migrating-game-bird hunting licence when he shot a duck near the Turtle Mountains and took it to a local conservation officer.

Goodon had a Métis harvester card, recently issued to him by the MMF to identify Métis people through a genealogical search, but not a provincial hunting licence.

At the time, Chartrand threatened to stage a modern-day reprise of the Riel rebellion to protest the charge.

Chartrand said then that the MMF had reached an oral agreement with the province to recognize the harvester cards, but the province denied there was any such agreement. Chartrand called for then-conservation minister Stan Struthers to resign and said Doer had deceived him.

A provincial court judge threw out the charge against Goodon in 2009.

The issue festered since then, although the MMF and Manitoba Wildlife Federation (MWF), which represents 14,000 anglers and hunters, signed a pact in 2010 to work together on fish and wildlife conservation and co-operate on education and safety programs.

MWF president Reid Woods said Friday his organization supports Métis hunting rights.

“They want a sustainable resource for now and future generations,” Woods said. “I think what they’re put together is very prudent.”

Chartrand said the Métis hunters and fishers will follow what’s called the Metis laws of the hunt, which put wildlife conservation first, such as not fishing pickerel when they’re spawning.

“We have seasons. We have limits,” Chartrand said.

“Our laws are probably more restrictive than provincial laws. What we’re doing is making sure our traditional foods that we’ve always enjoyed, and still have the power to enjoy, are going to be protected for years to come.”

Mackintosh said the deal also means charges of hunting without a provincial licence against about 30 Métis hunters will be stayed by the courts as early as next week.



What’s it about?
After more than a decade of talks, the province has reached a deal with the Manitoba Métis Federation (MMF) to legally recognize Métis hunting rights in Manitoba. Those rights now are confined to specific regions. The nuts and bolts of the deal will be developed in the coming months.



Why did Manitoba and the MMF enter into this agreement?

Métis in Manitoba have argued they have constitutionally protected aboriginal rights to hunt, fish and trap for domestic use without a licence. Manitoba courts have affirmed these rights, as has the Supreme Court of Canada.



What are the benefits?

This deal specifies where Métis can hunt, consistent with the MMF’s Métis laws of the hunt. It also sets out a process for information-sharing and consultation between Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship and the MMF on wildlife management and monitoring.



What do these rights include?

Hunting, trapping, fishing and gathering for food and domestic use, including for social and ceremonial purposes. It also includes the harvest of timber for domestic purposes. It does not include commercial harvesting. Métis hunters must also comply with provincial restrictions, including on moose hunting.



Does this mean there will be lots of new hunters?

No. Métis are already harvesting natural resources in Manitoba. It only means the province will accept the MMF harvester card as proof of Métis identity. The government will also recognize other verifiable forms of Métis identification.
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Big Game said:
You're wrong on this point Enfield, I believe it's four big game animals of which only 1 can be either a moose or an elk. I know lots of Metis that harvested moose this year. Unfortunately it's the ones that think they have free reign to shoot however many they want that will make all other metis hunters look bad. I just fail to understand how some people all of a sudden get so "greedy" just because they have a Harvester card. It has nothing to do with feeding your family or hunting, just plain greed from a lot of folks that used to hunt the same as everyone else, for the comraderie and enjoyment of the outdoors.
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Thank you for correcting me. I am still new and have alot to learn. It seems that people aboriginal or not need to learn ethics. As I have said in an earlier post I did not get any big game this year. All the animals I saw this year are too young or too old. I am not into trophies and have no desire to to chew on an old tough buck. I guess grouse and rabbit will have to do this year.
 
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/Elk-killing-prompts-investigation-by-province-185479782.html

Elk killing pictures, video prompts investigation by province
By: Bruce Owen

Posted: 5:41 PM | Comments: 1

The province is investigating the killing of 12 elk about a week ago near Swan River — the dead animals were lined up and photographed for posts on Facebook and YouTube — to see if the hunters shot the animals on private land without permission.

Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship officials are also concerned if the elk were baited — shared feed put out to lure them to the kill — which raises the risk of diseases like chronic wasting disease or bovine tuberculosis being passed to healthy animals.

Baiting elk is prohibited for all hunters in Manitoba’s chronic wasting disease and tuberculosis protection zones.

The shooting of the dozen elk in one day also touched off a debate with racial overtones on social media about First Nation and Métis subsistence hunting rights and the need for the Manitoba government to bring in tougher hunting restrictions for elk, which are under pressure from harvesters with the continuing closure on moose hunting in some parts of the province.

"Since old Bullwinkle walked across the Bering land bridge thousands of years ago, he hasn’t changed at all," said Vince Crichton, Manitoba Conservation’s now-retired manager of game, fur and problem wildlife. Crichton is now a private consultant.

"But look at what we have today in terms of cars, trucks and snow machines. We all have better access. They are now more vulnerable than they’ve ever been in the past. We can’t continue to harvest they way we have and expect the resource to be their for future generations."

Crichton and others said the province, with the help of First Nations and Métis, has to set new rules on when and where male and female elk and moose can be hunted, and then limit how many can be harvested each year. The Selinger government extended hunting rights to Manitoba’s Métis last fall.

"We have to get on the same page," Crichton said. "Elk are going to be in the same position of moose in the not-too-distant future."

A provincial spokesman said Wednesday that licensed elk hunting is only permitted in Manitoba through a draw, which provides 1,700 tags each year. First Nation hunters are not generally subject to seasons or bag limits, but are subject to special restrictions such as moose-hunting bans in the Duck and Porcupine Mountain areas imposed in July 2011.

Officials are also trying to determine how many hunters were involved in the elk-kill and how many families were to get meat.

If elk are harvested in violation of provincial regulations, penalties could include a fine of as much as $10,000 or imprisonment for a term of as long as six months, or both, for each person found guilty.

The Facebook page showing the dead animals has been deleted, but the cellphone video is still posted.

Riley Flett, who took the videos and photos, said he took down his Facebook page when the comments became too inflammatory. His video was recorded by someone else, posted and circulated on YouTube and is out of his control.

Les Nelson, a former Duck Mountain outfitter and elk rancher, said the furor over the recent elk hunt has been blown out of proportion.

"If that was 12 licensed white men and they showed it on TV, all the animals laying there, everybody would have been saying that they’re good hunters," Nelson said. "Because they natives went out and did it for themselves, they’re wrong. The thing is what they did is just as legal as the white guy with the licence."

bruce.owen@freepress.mb.ca
 
CZ_Brno said:
Elk killing pictures, video prompts investigation by province
By: Bruce Owen
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That right there is a good start....Whoever cares should send mass e-mail, and letter to where it counts...Hard copy letters to the legislature are better than e-mail, because they can't be ignored...
 
Living in Manitoba I have followed this very little. The little I have just Infuriates me to no end. Areas of the province have had moose hunting closed due to low populations. The elk herds are dwindling due to predation and supposed culling of herds in RMNP due to possible TB. Deer limits were reduced to 1 animal be it shot by bow,muzzle or high power. These regulations should pertain to EVERYONE. It is up to EVERYONE to help these herds replenish

Yah need it for food my A$$.

Leave the junk food, booze, drugs, cigs alone and there would be enough money to eat like everyone else can south of the 53rd parallel.

Idle no more protests, that is another bunch of BS. How long would a blockade by white folks not letting the First Nations off of there reserves last?

Oh yes I am Frik$$ PO'd about this BS.
 
Enfield303 said:
Thank you for correcting me. I am still new and have alot to learn. It seems that people aboriginal or not need to learn ethics. As I have said in an earlier post I did not get any big game this year. All the animals I saw this year are too young or too old. I am not into trophies and have no desire to to chew on an old tough buck. I guess grouse and rabbit will have to do this year.
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Enfield, those "tags" that the MMF gave you are about only good for fire starter, or wiping your butt. The tags are issued by the MMF, not the province, or federal government. They are rules made up by the MMF, not the provincial, or federal government. Therefore they can and will not be enforced by Manitoba Conservation. The Manitoba government is not in the business of enforcing organiztions rules. The rights that were given to the Metis to harvest are basically the same as a treaty person, ie no limits, seasons, etc. The difference lies in the fact that Metis harvesting rights only fall into a certain area within the province, unlike treaty who's rights are province wide.
 
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