Ellwood Epps client service SUCKS for me!

I had the same experience yesterday as the OP: bought two handguns, but they had already been sold. Unlike the OP, I got the apology call yesterday about an hour into my celebration. I got over it.

Today I got the call that the original buyer had backed out on one, Paul remembered I had wanted it, tracked down my info (the forms get shredded) from my first name and called me. I've bought half a dozen handguns there, and this was about the best experience yet.

They do seem extremely busy when I call, but for the stuff I want, they have some of the best deals going on extremely nice product. Until today, the service has only been good, but now they get a GREAT rating...
 
My 1911 came today, I ordered it Monday afternoon, they attempted delivery yesterday but the wife wasnt home to sign for it. I hope its the proper gun, I'll let you know in a couple hours :D
 
Bought a restricted there yesterday at about 12:30pm, and got a call today about 4:00pm telling me my temporary ATT is ready come pick it up.
I'm a happy camper.:)
 
It was reported in the CSSA newsletter last year that a younger man went into Elwood Epps store with his rifle of some sort. The gun was broken down into 2 pieces and in a case. He went downstairs to seek some repair service I believe and threw his gun up on the counter. The gun fired and hit him in the chest I believe or stomach area wounding him quite badly. Thankfully with very quick action by the staff and help arriving quickly the man has survived from what I have heard. He never checked his breech when he broke it down and shot himself. I think it was the 1st acident that has ever happened at this store ever. That would shake anybody up tho. Might take time to get over a incident like that.
 
over the phone with them was a freaking nightmare...

In person... the best all around gun store in Ont. IMHO.

Not a fanboy, just stating facts from my 25+ years of shooting and shopping.
 
It was reported in the CSSA newsletter last year that a younger man went into Elwood Epps store with his rifle of some sort. The gun was broken down into 2 pieces and in a case. He went downstairs to seek some repair service I believe and threw his gun up on the counter. The gun fired and hit him in the chest I believe or stomach area wounding him quite badly. Thankfully with very quick action by the staff and help arriving quickly the man has survived from what I have heard. He never checked his breech when he broke it down and shot himself. I think it was the 1st acident that has ever happened at this store ever. That would shake anybody up tho. Might take time to get over a incident like that.

This issue was well documented at the time that it occurred, and nobody needs to rehash it out here again. Most of the details you are citing are incorrect. Please check your facts before you post.

There are plenty of newspaper and radio accounts that covered this incident in detail, and it was mulled over ad nauseum here on the GunNutz boards on countless forums. There is no need to bring it up once more.

And no, we do not use that incident as an excuse for any issue that has arisen before or since that event.

Thanks
 
I'm a mailorder only customer. Have spent $5K with Epps over past year. Had good customer service every time. Only issue was with shipping one gun. It somehow got left on a counter and was forgotten for a couple of weeks. When I called about the delay I had the issue resolved the same day and the gun shipped via express post on their dime. They were very apologetic. Just bought another big ticket gun recently. Gun was shipped same day. I will buy there again.
 
epps has been a hit and miss for me...only have had my PAL for 2 years, and have purchased a few firearms from them. Living in the Barrie area, its the only shop i know of (if you can tell me other shops in the area it would be greatly appreciated). i purchased a used remington 700 from them and absolutely loved it, even got some trigger work done for it. Next time i went, i fell in love with the mossberg 590, but did not have cash at the time. A few weeks later i ordered it through the phone. I ordered a few goodies for it also. So about 3 weeks went by and nothing, gave them a call and it didnt leave yet, someone wasnt doing their job i guess. Like the above poster it was shipped at their expense. I will not order from them again, but will be going back to do my purchases in person.
 
I will not buy from them again.

I did stop in once on a weekend and did not seem to be too busy. Waited in the gun room for a bit and being 25 didt seem to help as older gentleman were being helped first/out of turn. When someone was free they went to the phone and made a personal phone call after looking at me waiting. All I wanted to pick up a case of ammo. I left.

Have heard to many stories of poor customer service and leaving the customer high and dry.."contact the warrently center"....on a new gun this is something I will not accept.

I have purchased for another dealer , non sight sponsor , and there was a broken extractor on the 8th shot. They took it back and gave me a brand new one and dealt with the warrenty center on there own.
 
This issue was well documented at the time that it occurred, and nobody needs to rehash it out here again. Most of the details you are citing are incorrect. Please check your facts before you post.

There are plenty of newspaper and radio accounts that covered this incident in detail, and it was mulled over ad nauseum here on the GunNutz boards on countless forums. There is no need to bring it up once more.

And no, we do not use that incident as an excuse for any issue that has arisen before or since that event.

Thanks

Good post. Well stated.
 
EPPS isn't the best, nor is it the worst, they would sell a lot more and have less frustrated customers if they opened up that dungeon of a gun room a bit.
Generally, If you are looking for customer service don't go to a gun shop.
Most of these guys are hired because of their familiarity and experience with firearms and not because of their freindly nature or high intelligence.
In Ontario it seems worse because there aren't that many gun shops that you can walk into and most of the time the employees would rather shoot the sh*t with their buddies than help out a customer.
 
I went in just last week for the first time. Other than finding the place a bit confusing (stuff is everywhere...and lots of it!) the experience was a good one. The guys in the gun room were my "runners" twice, the girl at the front counter answered my questions twice and the guy at the front counter who rang in my tally was laid back almost to the point of indifference (which by the way, is how most Northern Folks carry themselves. City folks forget that not everything moves at mach 4). Anyhow, I got some good deals and saved a few $'s on some items that I needed and was having problems getting elsewhere...and I happened to be in the area, so? But then again I didn't go in there with a chip on my shoulder...;)
 
From a founding member of the Mensa Club, I take it?

Not quite but I won't be applying for a job in a gun shop any time soon. My point is that most shop owners are their own worst enemies because they still assume that most gun buyers are a bunch of rednecks so they hire headcases to stand behind the counter instead of customer service minded individuals.
 
I will not buy from them again.

I did stop in once on a weekend and did not seem to be too busy. Waited in the gun room for a bit and being 25 didt seem to help as older gentleman were being helped first/out of turn. When someone was free they went to the phone and made a personal phone call after looking at me waiting. All I wanted to pick up a case of ammo. I left.

Have heard to many stories of poor customer service and leaving the customer high and dry.."contact the warrently center"....on a new gun this is something I will not accept.

I have purchased for another dealer , non sight sponsor , and there was a broken extractor on the 8th shot. They took it back and gave me a brand new one and dealt with the warrenty center on there own.

Strange, because any time there are more than a handful of customers in the gun room, every single one of our salesmen asks "Who was next?" before helping another customer. Certainly any one of our regular (and perhaps a few of our not-so-regular) customers would confirm this. Did you step up to the counter and suggest that you were next in line? Did you speak up when you realized that you had been passed over? I am certain that if you had, the person who had taken your place in line would have allowed you to proceed. Or, at the very least, your concerns would have been taken next in queue.

As for a telephone call, how do you know that it was a personal call? Many of our clients are on first-name and familiar bases with most of our staff. Is it possible that the call was related to an ongoing issue that the particular salesman was dealing with that required contact with that customer?

As for the issue concerning warranty centres, this has been discussed ad nauseum on various threads and boards here on GunNutz. A warrantied product must be serviced by the licensed warranty depot, otherwise that warranty is declared null and void by the manufacturer. Since you did not mention what firearm it was that experienced the issue in question, I cannot declare whether the matter could be handled by our store. But if a salesman here suggested that it needed to be sent to another location, that is due to the warranty being handled by a secondary shop, and not our own. We are sorry if this system does not agree with your ideas on how servicing should be handled, but these guidelines are set up by the manufacturers and distributors, and must be followed in order for warranties to be upheld.

We do not leave our customers "high and dry", as you have suggested. As many of our regular clients will attest, we quite often go out of our way to assist them as far as we are able. Yet when we reach a point where we cannot be of service, we do offer the information that client requires to have the issue in question dealt with by those who are in a position to do so.

As for your statement regarding your age, we have heard this would-be excuse many a-time, and I can tell you in all honesty that there is not a staff member at Ellwood Epps that cares one way or the other about the date of your birth. We have customers as young as 18 years old, and as old as 85 (or quite possibly older) with whom we do business each and every day. We welcome new shooters and gun owners in exactly the same manner that we welcome seasoned veterans. We do make every attempt to maintain a service level that is free of bias, and as helpful as we are able to be with each and every customer that enters our store.

I apologize if you feel that your visit to Epps did not live up to those expectations. Perhaps you would consider revisiting out store and discussing this matter with us in person so that we can address those issues and correct the shortcomings you have experienced.

Please feel free to contact me at any time if you have any further comments or suggestions regarding our service, selection, or business practices. You can reach me at info@ellwoodepps.com. My name is Kevin.
 
Not quite but I won't be applying for a job in a gun shop any time soon. My point is that most shop owners are their own worst enemies because they still assume that most gun buyers are a bunch of rednecks so they hire headcases to stand behind the counter instead of customer service minded individuals.

Or is it possible that the headcase is actually on the other side of the counter?

Truly, spend a full day in our store. I'm not talking about 1 hour, or even 2, but spend 9.5 hours, five days a week dealing with some of the clientele that we deal with, and then come back here and tell us where the real issues lie.

Let's start with the customer that has made absolutely zero effort to even begin to educate themselves on any possible purchase they might wish to make, or even what they intend to do with that purchase. Then drop them in the store at about 1.30 on a Saturday afternoon when we have more than 40 people lined up waiting for service. Let's see what sort of service level you can offer at that point. I am quite certain that your efforts would no doubt be stellar.

Or let's try the customer with a warranty service issue that cannot seem to grasp the concept that warranty servicing means the item in question must be serviced by the warranty depot licensed by that manufacturer. If you buy a brand new Ford and experience an issue that is covered by the manufacturer's warranty, do you take the car to a local Honda dealership and expect warranty servicing?

Then let's try the "I know everything" customer who insists upon having a Tikka T3 chambered in .223 Remington rebored (not rebarreled!!!) to .338 Lapua Magnum. [This actually happened, believe it or not!] Try explaining to that person why this is not a possibility when they insist that they read somewhere on the Internet that Joe in South Dakota had it done, so we must be able to do that for them, too.

This is not a challenge, Ballox, just an eye-opener and a suggestion for you to rein in your contempt for we "hardass" individuals with minimal IQ levels until you have had a chance to experience the whole story.

Would it surprise you to know that some of our employees are actually university graduates? Or that others have served many years in the Canadian Forces? Or that several of them are retired police officers, with many years of service behind them? Would that sway your opinion of us at all? I suspect not.

Perhaps the microscope should be turned upon those who can so freely speak of the shortcomings they have projected upon not only the staff at Ellwood Epps, but the staff at virtually any gun store in Ontario (or elsewhere, as I imagine your contempt would not be so easily hedged in by political borders). Perhaps there is a possibility that at least a sizable portion of the issues that seem to pop up here on these discussion boards on a routine basis might actually originate with the customer, just as surely as they are placed at the feet of the retailer?
 
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I was there the other day and this blonde girl about 21 got served before about 3 of us who were waiting. As we got to watch her fondle guns we forgot why we came and could not stop watching. My complaint is how can you get her to come back?
No seriously guys they are a busy shop and do the best they can. Go their when they are slow and you will get the best service.
 
For my first ever transaction with Epps, I requested photos of a rifle at 4pm on Monday, had them in my in box by 6:30am Tuesday morning! (Thanks David) Phoned the store that day and bought the rifle after talking to John. Somehow while chatting and giving him my info, we missed my gun club info. By the time I got home, there was a message waiting asking me to call them with the info. Did so the next morning and the transfer process was started. Can't wait for my new purchase to arrive.
 
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