EMP Shield For Your Car, House and Generator
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Wallenstein
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TransAm1991
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- Windsor, Ontario
I like the Schneider unit that attaches with a 1/2" KO to the side of the panel, they're around $115, and it's all you need. Unless you regularly get hit by lightning, or have some high tech electronics (Which you'd have supplementary surge protection) the larger single phase commercial units would save you. Lightning is your worst enemy as it fries everything it can get to.
This EMP shield is marketed to the same people who think adding home power factor correction for $1500 for a few small capacitors and some LED's is going to save them money.
Unfortunately, even if an EMP did occur, the grid itself would be down.. So, I can't understand it's function..
Source; Am Electrician.
The concept is that the power might be able to come back on in a reasonable amount of time, or perhaps you some how still have a functioning generator, and rather then lining up with all your neighbours to replace appliances and components that your house might need to function beyond a basic shelter you would be good to go.
If the event is similar to the Carrington event the power could be back on in less then a few weeks or a few months depending on the size of the area effected and the ability for the power companies to source what they need to get the grid back up. If it was an actual act of war maybe it would take longer?
Either way depending on the time of year and the temperature outside it would not be pretty, I suppose having to fix your house would provide people with something to take their mind off of things.
Do the Schneider lightning strike protectors fry out after one lightning strike like these emp units?
It's not hard to imagine that the grid in Canada and our military is not fully prepared for a CME or EMP event.
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It's disappointing to see this product marketed. Right up there with used gas masks and body armor.
Also an electrician and I hope everyone does their own research before committing money on this instead of inline surge protectors and buckets of Readywise food.
Also an electrician and I hope everyone does their own research before committing money on this instead of inline surge protectors and buckets of Readywise food.
Wallenstein
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Not the Fraser Valley
I am no electrician, but I do know this : food.
You do not have enough food stored.
Neither do I.
None of us are truly prepared to grow our own.
If bad times come, food + the means to produce more will be what counts.
It seems the way things are headed, the likelihood that we may experience a emp style scenario is allot higher than say…. I don’t know… getting taken out by a “flu”. If it has a 25% chance of protecting your home or car, in an emp it’s way more effective than say…. Uh.. something that’s “safe and effective”.
It’s not like emp shield helped create the threat of nuclear emps in their lab. It’s not as if they bought off evil politicians to lie an manipulate you to force you to buy one. If the emp shield does not work, oh well. Not like it’s going to cause heart defects, strokes and birth defects. I’m going to guess that most if not all of the people that crap on these types of products were at the front of the line buying into the other product I hinted to.
It’s not like emp shield helped create the threat of nuclear emps in their lab. It’s not as if they bought off evil politicians to lie an manipulate you to force you to buy one. If the emp shield does not work, oh well. Not like it’s going to cause heart defects, strokes and birth defects. I’m going to guess that most if not all of the people that crap on these types of products were at the front of the line buying into the other product I hinted to.
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Reality check. Even if this did work - so what? Your house or your car are protected - great! Now what? The grid is down so you aren’t going to have power coming to your electrical devices that are protected. Your car still runs, but only until it’s out of gas, and the gas stations aren’t going to be getting any more.
In the event that the grid goes down because of an EMP or a CME it means that major repairs will be required. Chances are major transformers will need to be replaced. Lead time for a major transformer - 12 to 18 months. And that’s for ONE, not the hundreds or thousands that North America would need. Given that the EMP commission in the U.S. estimates that in a grid down situation that 9 out of 10 Americans would be dead within 12 months I’m curious as to where they will find the electricians, crane operators, truck drivers, etc. to replace all those transformers that they will have magically built.
In the event that the grid goes down because of an EMP or a CME it means that major repairs will be required. Chances are major transformers will need to be replaced. Lead time for a major transformer - 12 to 18 months. And that’s for ONE, not the hundreds or thousands that North America would need. Given that the EMP commission in the U.S. estimates that in a grid down situation that 9 out of 10 Americans would be dead within 12 months I’m curious as to where they will find the electricians, crane operators, truck drivers, etc. to replace all those transformers that they will have magically built.
I guess the logic is some people have backup generators, solar systems, and limited fuel supplies. Good for them, really great actually (and hopefully FOOD, WATER and SECURITY too!!!) But the laws of physics won't bend to marketing fear and snake oil. Again, it'll take all of 5 minutes of searching the web to realize if this product will protect your home or car. Please do your research!
Frontier has a ton of great products, the best prices on food buckets and great shipping, lots of real valuable survival gear, check it out.
Frontier has a ton of great products, the best prices on food buckets and great shipping, lots of real valuable survival gear, check it out.
They claim to be certified at Military testing facilities and most of their business is with the military.
Based on your research, are you saying there is no such thing as protecting modern tech from an emt and that is why it's all snake oil? Or have you researched this product specifically? I'm not in the market for one so either way it's moot, but I am curious if any parts of our Millitary and electrical infrastructure in general can be protected?
Like I said, it might make sense for someone that has everything squared away and an extra couple grand burning a hole in their pocket to the point of buying a unit for 2 of their homes, the bunker and a vehicle..... I think some of the elite bunker types that have invested serious money in land and facilities could easily be convinced to throw some of these units into their system.
The smart survivor types are all ready living an Amish lifestyle surrounded by a like minded community of people.
A Faraday cage will do it 100%, and that's about it.
The reason being that a EMPs creates free electron waves, similar to radio waves, that are amplified as they travel down to the surface of the earth and affect anything with enough wire to conduct it. That obviously means the power grid will act like a giant antenna and conduct a huge amount of current and voltage into your home. This is similar to a lightning strike and what this product claims to prevent. This is where the huge voltage and current come into effect, essentially a huge power surge cooking the grid and the wiring in your house. This product claims to redirect this power surge to ground and bypass all of the solid state electronics in your home. As previously commented, 5000 amps (hypothetically) will not be redirected "shunted" through 14g wire and the electronics within the brain to bypass your house. The fact that it claims to protect a car, which is essentially a closed system, is laughable. You cannot redirect that much juice short of spending much much more money on an inline system controlling a hypersensitive main breaker on your home to physically open the circuit and prevent the wave of electricity from making it through. Think of a giant surge protector placed in line before your main panel. I don't know if such a system exists, it more than likely does, but I'll never be able to afford it. And FYI even surge protectors rated for lightning strikes are not quick enough to counter an EMP.
I'm sure the military testing facility that's signed off on their claims has simply vetted the system to prove shunting ability up to a billionth of a second, or whatever they claimed. That is very reasonable and plausible in lab conditions, but in actual application on a household system it's irrelevant because you cannot redirect that large and fast of a power surge to ground without isolating the system as a whole, which this system does not, and your main breaker will be too slow.
However, the real reason I call it snake oil, is because the grid is not the only way that surge of electricity is going to affect you. As stated, that pulse travels as a wave from the blast to the surface. It doesn't only fall on the power grid, but everything within visual sight of the blast. Those same waves that are being picked up by high voltage lines and blowing up transformers and then eventually making it to your home are already making it to your home much like radio waves and your 5G cellphone service. They reach everything, through the ceiling, through the walls, even to the computer in your Tesla. And anything with enough internal wiring and solid state electronics will conduct enough of this wave to fry. The microprocessors and filament wire that make up your TV, cellphone, coffee maker, dryer, computer, Google Home, will all be susceptible - to a degree.
Because this is all "hypothetical" we won't know until it happens. Do you have a tin roof or live in a concrete building? That may help. How far away are you from the blast? How strong is the nuke that caused the EMP? All important factors. But, if you're close enough to the origin of the blast and it's large enough, because why wouldn't it be if it were an act of war, then you should expect all modern electronics to fry simply from the wave and not from the pulse accumulated through the power grid.
This doesn't apply to "dumb" electronic devices like a basic generator or your old washer/dryer with turny knobs and no computer controlling it, or some of your pre 80s cars, or even a very basic solar power system that isn't computer controlled.
I don't know what the military has implemented, but I suspect in a true weaponized EMP event a huge portion of it would also be terribly affected. Anything with microchips and mini capacitors and microfilament wire will be hugely susceptible to the wave unless it's been internally or externally shielded, which is more than likely the case in tanks and fighter jets and other field hardened tools, but probably not in many datacenters and cellphones and laptops and communication systems and other support systems. And maybe not, maybe the only stuff that will survive is that which is stored indoors and in bunkers at the time of the blast.
The reason being that a EMPs creates free electron waves, similar to radio waves, that are amplified as they travel down to the surface of the earth and affect anything with enough wire to conduct it. That obviously means the power grid will act like a giant antenna and conduct a huge amount of current and voltage into your home. This is similar to a lightning strike and what this product claims to prevent. This is where the huge voltage and current come into effect, essentially a huge power surge cooking the grid and the wiring in your house. This product claims to redirect this power surge to ground and bypass all of the solid state electronics in your home. As previously commented, 5000 amps (hypothetically) will not be redirected "shunted" through 14g wire and the electronics within the brain to bypass your house. The fact that it claims to protect a car, which is essentially a closed system, is laughable. You cannot redirect that much juice short of spending much much more money on an inline system controlling a hypersensitive main breaker on your home to physically open the circuit and prevent the wave of electricity from making it through. Think of a giant surge protector placed in line before your main panel. I don't know if such a system exists, it more than likely does, but I'll never be able to afford it. And FYI even surge protectors rated for lightning strikes are not quick enough to counter an EMP.
I'm sure the military testing facility that's signed off on their claims has simply vetted the system to prove shunting ability up to a billionth of a second, or whatever they claimed. That is very reasonable and plausible in lab conditions, but in actual application on a household system it's irrelevant because you cannot redirect that large and fast of a power surge to ground without isolating the system as a whole, which this system does not, and your main breaker will be too slow.
However, the real reason I call it snake oil, is because the grid is not the only way that surge of electricity is going to affect you. As stated, that pulse travels as a wave from the blast to the surface. It doesn't only fall on the power grid, but everything within visual sight of the blast. Those same waves that are being picked up by high voltage lines and blowing up transformers and then eventually making it to your home are already making it to your home much like radio waves and your 5G cellphone service. They reach everything, through the ceiling, through the walls, even to the computer in your Tesla. And anything with enough internal wiring and solid state electronics will conduct enough of this wave to fry. The microprocessors and filament wire that make up your TV, cellphone, coffee maker, dryer, computer, Google Home, will all be susceptible - to a degree.
Because this is all "hypothetical" we won't know until it happens. Do you have a tin roof or live in a concrete building? That may help. How far away are you from the blast? How strong is the nuke that caused the EMP? All important factors. But, if you're close enough to the origin of the blast and it's large enough, because why wouldn't it be if it were an act of war, then you should expect all modern electronics to fry simply from the wave and not from the pulse accumulated through the power grid.
This doesn't apply to "dumb" electronic devices like a basic generator or your old washer/dryer with turny knobs and no computer controlling it, or some of your pre 80s cars, or even a very basic solar power system that isn't computer controlled.
I don't know what the military has implemented, but I suspect in a true weaponized EMP event a huge portion of it would also be terribly affected. Anything with microchips and mini capacitors and microfilament wire will be hugely susceptible to the wave unless it's been internally or externally shielded, which is more than likely the case in tanks and fighter jets and other field hardened tools, but probably not in many datacenters and cellphones and laptops and communication systems and other support systems. And maybe not, maybe the only stuff that will survive is that which is stored indoors and in bunkers at the time of the blast.
