Eotech Refund

Perfect thank you. It works out for me as I found it always to be blurry and was told by them that I have astigmatism. I asked a friend and sure enough it was clear for him. I guess my question is what optic would not cause blurriness due to my astigmatism?
 
MWL said:
I don't have any Eotechs, and neither do I sell them, or recommend them to any of my customers. All of my professional customers that have them in their inventory, are in the process of returning them to the manufacturer, and replacing them with Aimpoints. And by professional customers, I am referring to those guys and gals that spend their lives kicking in doors and going toe to toe with bad people, I guess you would refer to them as "operators".

I happy for you if your sight works for you, what with you doing cqb and all.

If by fact, you are referring to the exact sight you own, it is unlikely that you will find anything posted about it online, unless you posted something about it.

If by fact, you are referring to Eotech sights in general, including the same model as the one you own, you are just showing your complete and utter ignorance, given that the manufacturer has admitted that the zero drift is a real thing. Maybe you should post your sight back to them so they can see what they did when they built your sight, and use that knowledge to fix all the other ones.

The feeling at CANSOF/JTF2 and other organizations is that this issue could sink the company (Eotech, not L3), and if that occurs, there will be nowhere for you to send your sight when you eventually experience an issue with it.

Regards.

Mark
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From my understanding it is all blown out of proportion by all the mall ninja's and keyboard operators. Yes Eotech has admitted there may be a defect in SOME of the sights in more extreme temperatures, they have to disclose it because if there was a loss of life due to their product failing in the field they would never recover. This dosent mean their product is crap overnight. None of these mall ninja keyboard commando zombie killer operators ever had an issue with their sights(and probably never would have) until Eotech disclosed the POSSIBILITY OF A DEFECT FOR PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY and all the Cyber Rambos jumped on the occasion. I think people who kept their eotechs are the ones that actually used and abused them and never had any issue or malfunction, they know first hand that their gear will work when the"bad guys" or zombies come. US forces have been using Eotechs for over a decade and now suddenly they are ####?! Common people ...
 
patsow87 said:
From my understanding it is all blown out of proportion by all the mall ninja's and keyboard operators. Yes Eotech has admitted there may be a defect in SOME of the sights in more extreme temperatures, they have to disclose it because if there was a loss of life due to their product failing in the field they would never recover. This dosent mean their product is crap overnight. None of these mall ninja keyboard commando zombie killer operators ever had an issue with their sights(and probably never would have) until Eotech disclosed the POSSIBILITY OF A DEFECT FOR PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY and all the Cyber Rambos jumped on the occasion. I think people who kept their eotechs are the ones that actually used and abused them and never had any issue or malfunction, they know first hand that their gear will work when the"bad guys" or zombies come. US forces have been using Eotechs for over a decade and now suddenly they are ####?! Common people ...
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Got to agree with you. I just watched a youtube video were a kid who runs a mostly gamer related channel fired a group at 50 yards, REMOVED his 552, stuck it in dry ice until the sight reached -40 f, PUT THE SIGHT BACK ON and shot another group. He had a 3" POI shift and said he would be sending his Eotech in for the refund. Really? I don't know where to start with whats wrong with all that, but it doesn't shake my faith in the sight. I ain't no high-speed low-drag operator fixing to do battle in the arctic, and if I was I wouldn't be removing my sight, putting it back on and expecting it to hold zero.
 
Yail Bloor said:
Got to agree with you. I just watched a youtube video were a kid who runs a mostly gamer related channel fired a group at 50 yards, REMOVED his 552, stuck it in dry ice until the sight reached -40 f, PUT THE SIGHT BACK ON and shot another group. He had a 3" POI shift and said he would be sending his Eotech in for the refund. Really? I don't know where to start with whats wrong with all that, but it doesn't shake my faith in the sight. I ain't no high-speed low-drag operator fixing to do battle in the arctic, and if I was I wouldn't be removing my sight, putting it back on and expecting it to hold zero.
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Lol... I take any optic off and remount, I still check zero... there is almost never a true return to zero mounting option.

And yeah..... Every single sight/optic out there will be affected by temperature.... every single one.
 
Daver_II said:
And yeah..... Every single sight/optic out there will be affected by temperature.... every single one.
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Not to mention powder burn rate and other factors that effect shot placement across a 100+ degree f temperature range if the sight was actually mounted to a weapon and used in those conditions.
 
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patsow87 said:
From my understanding it is all blown out of proportion by all the mall ninja's and keyboard operators. Yes Eotech has admitted there may be a defect in SOME of the sights in more extreme temperatures, they have to disclose it because if there was a loss of life due to their product failing in the field they would never recover. This dosent mean their product is crap overnight. None of these mall ninja keyboard commando zombie killer operators ever had an issue with their sights(and probably never would have) until Eotech disclosed the POSSIBILITY OF A DEFECT FOR PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY and all the Cyber Rambos jumped on the occasion. I think people who kept their eotechs are the ones that actually used and abused them and never had any issue or malfunction, they know first hand that their gear will work when the"bad guys" or zombies come. US forces have been using Eotechs for over a decade and now suddenly they are ####?! Common people ...
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Your information is inaccurate and incomplete. EOTech admitted that ALL of their sights suffer from SEVERAL issues to include "thermal drift".

Here's a direct quote from the lawsuit between L3 and the US Gov.
EOtech admitted to concealing defects that caused the sights to fail in cold or humid conditions, including one defect that was actively hidden from the government and the public for 8-1/2 years.

Here's the other issues that the sights suffer from.

Identified performance issues include:

Thermal Drift – After zeroing the ECOS systems at or near ambient temperature (73°F), the zero position will shift during operating temperature changes. The ECOS systems have the potential to shift approximately +/- 4 Minutes of Angle (MOA) at -40°F and 122°F. Due to thermal drift, the sight may not return to zero. The systems have the potential of approximately a +/- 2 MOA zero shift upon return to ambient (73°F) after being exposed to any temperature between -40°F and 122°F temperatures.

Fading Reticle – The complete 65 MOA ring with 1 MOA dot reticle may not be visible to the operator throughout the entire viewing window of the ECOS-Q optic. The ECOS-Q system’s age and environmental exposure are factors which accelerate reticle dimming. Impact to operators is the holographic reticle may not be visible in all firing positions.

HWS DiagramParallax Error – Parallax is an apparent change in the position of an object resulting from a change in position of the observer. The 65 MOA ring with 1 MOA dot reticle point of aim will appear to move in relation to your target during off-axis firing positions where maintaining cheek-weld and sight picture is not feasible. The ECOS-Q system has the potential of approximately 4 Minute of Angle (MOA) parallax error at 70°F and approximately 6 MOA parallax error at 5°F. Impact to the operators is the point of aim / point of impact will be affected by a MOA parallax error, in off-axis firing positions at all temperatures.

http://www.eotechlawsuit.com/


The parallax error is NOT just a symptom of temperature extremes it is a symptom at ALL temperatures. Three other issues that were not mentioned are the battery contact failure problems, battery drain and the INCONSISTENT adjustment values when zeroing the optic. Have a look at EOTech's literature, they now list adjustment values as "approximately 1/2 MOA" and battery life is "approximately 1000 hours" (552 model) and there is no published operating temperatures. Comparing the 552 to an Aimpoint comp M4S it's clear who makes the dud. The 1000 hours for the 552 is at setting 12/20(daytime) which is 60% brightness and that's on two AA batteries. The Comp M4S boasts 80,000 hours at position 12/16 which would be 75% brightness and does so on ONE AA battery. So a cool 80 times more life at a 15% increased brightness level on half as many batteries. The 552 weighs 13oz with batteries, the M4S weighs 9.4 (11.8 with the heavy factory mount) with a battery. the M4S is the largest reddot offered by Aimpoint, we could compare a T1/T2 and really embarass the EO-crap.

I've said this before and I will say it again. L3/EOTech knowingly sold defective optics to soldiers, law enforcement, and civilians for nearly a decade. They came clean when the US mil caught them and are now offering refunds to avoid class action lawsuit payouts. L3 is only interested in making money and damage control. Corrected products or not(which they are not corrected) their unethical business practices and the unnecessary risk of life they created in exchange for profit should be reason enough to never own another L3 product.
 
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