264magnum said:
You may be right, but if we are going to argue the point we are splitting hairs. My point was if it's legal, it's OK, if it's not legal, it's not OK. Ethics in a blood sport most of us participate in for FUN is a silly discussion.
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You may be right, but if we are going to argue the point we are splitting hairs. My point was if it's legal, it's OK, if it's not legal, it's not OK. Ethics in a blood sport most of us participate in for FUN is a silly discussion.
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I totally agree with you and what you said. Just wanted to clarify a couple things in case someone took it as gospel. I also think that if it is LEGAL I'm OK with it. Sure there are things that I don't agree with but I don't write the laws and until I do, I'll have to live with them.
I totally agree with you and what you said. Just wanted to clarify a couple things in case someone took it as gospel. I also think that if it is LEGAL I'm OK with it. Sure there are things that I don't agree with but I don't write the laws and until I do, I'll have to live with them.
264magnum said:
Well said!
Now with my opinion, in most cases the people I run across pointing fingers about ethics are the same people that do unethical things in my mind. I think that is the same with everyone as we all have DIFFERENT Ethics. That is why there is a need for LAW. Basically an average of society's ethics. Laws are changed when enough people want them changed. But what makes me mad is when someone who views an act as unethical, but legal, points fingers at someone saying how wrong they are and they are not an ethical hunter.
I may not agree with some acts of some hunters, but I will not harrass, cause a fight or argue with someone if what they did was legal. I will howevere curse under my breath, but I won't make a stink about it.
Someone did that to me this year accusing me of an act that I was not involved in or in the area of. This person pointing fingers, harrassed, and accussed me of this act, but then turned around and put his tag on the animal that some other hunter supposedly did the unethical act to. In his eyes, the first hunter did something unethical, but he then did something illegal. I know which one I have more issues with. I won't say which one, but I do know I will act in accordance with the law regardless.
The only thing ethics affects for me, is who I hunt with!
I live in the city can I use my p/u to drive into the country to hunt? I promise not to look anywhere but on the road and if a deer runs across the road and stops off the road I will not shoot that deer, ever. If you live in the country and put a bait pile so you can shoot out the house window is that also poaching since you are shooting out a window and not walking???????????????????????????
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I don't think it ethical to sit in a tree and ambush bambi from above.
but I'm not going to stop you from doing it, as long as it not against your local / provincial hunting regs
oh just to stir the pot a bit you guys in ontario have some silly law that you can't hunt in some areas with a firearm larger then a .270
well a 270 is actually .277 so I guess if your using one your a poacher
but I'm not going to stop you from doing it, as long as it not against your local / provincial hunting regs
oh just to stir the pot a bit you guys in ontario have some silly law that you can't hunt in some areas with a firearm larger then a .270
well a 270 is actually .277 so I guess if your using one your a poacher
woodchopper said:I don't think it ethical to sit in a tree and ambush bambi from above.
but I'm not going to stop you from doing it, as long as it not against your local / provincial hunting regs
oh just to stir the pot a bit you guys in ontario have some silly law that you can't hunt in some areas with a firearm larger then a .270
well a 270 is actually .277 so I guess if your using one your a poacher
ok I'll stir the pot some more.......
Wow tree stand hunting is not ethical???
How about the 1000's of road hunters in Alberta?? It takes a hell of a lot more skill, time and patience to be sucessful with a bow then a rifle and yes an advantage for a bowhunter is a treestand. Don't get me wrong I would fight until my last breath for everyone's right to own firearms and hunt with them. I'm a very avid bowhunter and have taken at least 40 plus animals with my bow since 91 some from treestands. I have hunted only 2 to 3 times with a rifle after I started bow hunting and I and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING illegal (Alberta) or unethical about hunting from a tree stand with a bow or a rifle for that matter. It sure as hell beats cruising the roads ready to stop drop and roll.
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ethics
Assuming all laws are followed i feel the following statement to be a true reflection of how "ethics" discussions are not condusive to futhering our cause in both the firearms community and hunting community:
People who spout off about "ethics" are the same type of people that feel it's ok if the government was to take them damn pistols(insert your choice of firearm here) 'cause nobodys got no need for a pistol.
this attitude shows no respect for others! believe it or not, these people enjoy the same thing you do. it like saying someone is wrong to use a wrench just because you prefer to use a ratchet, either way the job gets done. The only time ethics etc should be a concern is when you are trying to choose who to hunt, shoot, etc with. in reality the rest of the world really doesn't care how you feel or what you think, but they are quick as a fat kid on a smartie to judge how you act.
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Assuming all laws are followed i feel the following statement to be a true reflection of how "ethics" discussions are not condusive to futhering our cause in both the firearms community and hunting community:
People who spout off about "ethics" are the same type of people that feel it's ok if the government was to take them damn pistols(insert your choice of firearm here) 'cause nobodys got no need for a pistol.
this attitude shows no respect for others! believe it or not, these people enjoy the same thing you do. it like saying someone is wrong to use a wrench just because you prefer to use a ratchet, either way the job gets done. The only time ethics etc should be a concern is when you are trying to choose who to hunt, shoot, etc with. in reality the rest of the world really doesn't care how you feel or what you think, but they are quick as a fat kid on a smartie to judge how you act.
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cueball said:
And you are.....? Nothing too judgemental about your statements either! Why is it that when anyone mentions the word "ethics" another will follow up accusing him of "spouting off". Just wondering why anyone would have an aversion to "ethics". Is it because it is slowly or rather rapidly a dissapearing quality in today's society? Ever heard any clown spout off that "money doesn't buy happiness"? For sure you have, usually comes out of somebody's mouth who has none, kinda like the "ethics" thing.
Ponts: the 1000's of road hunters in Alberta! do you know that for sure. I don't know 1000 of them, just 4....they all immigrated from TO.
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gitrdun,
Ethics are a personal choice. What is ethical for one Man, may not be for another.
If ethics were the same across the board for all, we would call them laws.
I consider myself to be a very ethical hunter. Far be it from me however, to attempt to force my ethics down your throat.
I shoot grouse on the ground. Some would consider that unethical.
Ethics are a personal choice. What is ethical for one Man, may not be for another.
If ethics were the same across the board for all, we would call them laws.
I consider myself to be a very ethical hunter. Far be it from me however, to attempt to force my ethics down your throat.
I shoot grouse on the ground. Some would consider that unethical.
I agree with you Agilent One, but I didn't see anyone actually trying to shove their own ethical values down anybody's throat. It's just pisses me off that when somebody even whispers something even close to a code of ethics or ethical conduct people start flogging him like a dead horse or label him a preacher. If someone states that it's real cool to jump outta the truck and blast away at a moose standing on a logging road in BC, he gets a pat on the back and tons of congradulations. But should buddy even mention that he doesn't think that is ethical behaviour, he better wear rain gear for all the #### that's coming his way. In closing, I just don't see why it should be so offensive to some when good ethical and moral behaviour is mentioned. Remember, we're the guys with the guns, let's behave responsibly and not give the anti's the ammo they so desperately need.
