Ethical Dilemma

[BIGREDD]

I agree with you Agilent One, but I didn't see anyone actually trying to shove their own ethical values down anybody's throat. It's just pisses me off that when somebody even whispers something even close to a code of ethics or ethical conduct people start flogging him like a dead horse or label him a preacher. If someone states that it's real cool to jump outta the truck and blast away at a moose standing on a logging road in BC, he gets a pat on the back and tons of congradulations. But should buddy even mention that he doesn't think that is ethical behaviour, he better wear rain gear for all the s**t that's coming his way. In closing, I just don't see why it should be so offensive to some when good ethical and moral behaviour is mentioned. Remember, we're the guys with the guns, let's behave responsibly and not give the anti's the ammo they so desperately need.

Your missing the point gitter.... it is not "ethics" that are being slammed... it is using ethics to "criticize" other legal and accepted hunting practices!
No matter how you cut it Ethics and Morals are personal... yours only... the second that you try to impose or compare your values with anyone Else's you have raised the flag of intolerance.
There is no legal code of Ethics for hunters... just a code of honor and respect!
Far too many of us lean on their own simplistic version of Ethics to dishonor and disrespect other hunters!

 

[cueball]

And you are.....? Nothing too judgemental about your statements either! Why is it that when anyone mentions the word "ethics" another will follow up accusing him of "spouting off". Just wondering why anyone would have an aversion to "ethics". Is it because it is slowly or rather rapidly a dissapearing quality in today's society? Ever heard any clown spout off that "money doesn't buy happiness"? For sure you have, usually comes out of somebody's mouth who has none, kinda like the "ethics" thing.

gitrdun, i am.....me. no better and no worse than anyone else who posts on this forum. i expressed my opinion, and you are free to express yours.i am sorry you missed the intent of my post and thanks to bigredd for very succinctly capturing what i was trying to say.
cueball

 

[the_big_mike]

I'd say 75% of the moose and black bears and many of the deer in BC are taken with a method similar to this:

Drive truck or ATV along dirt road. See moose, Get out/off. Walk about 50 yards. BOOM!

Or variations of this method..such as 'jump out and shoot"

I've employed both methods before, it's legal and ethcal as far as i am concerned.

I prefer to introduce a bit more activity into hunting, but road hunting has it's place.

Cant speak for the BC part, but +1

 

[Boer seun]

I say get off your butt and hunt. Hunting from a vehicle is illegal, and unethical, certainly not sporting. I have been hunting and had guys drive across the field to get closer to a buck that I am "really" hunting. I have no respect for them at all.

x2 I'd much rather shoot nothing than kill a monster buck that was shot from a truck

 

[woodchopper]

Your missing the point gitter.... it is not "ethics" that are being slammed... it is using ethics to "criticize" other legal and accepted hunting practices!
No matter how you cut it Ethics and Morals are personal... yours only... the second that you try to impose or compare your values with anyone Else's you have raised the flag of intolerance.
There is no legal code of Ethics for hunters... just a code of honor and respect!
Far too many of us lean on their own simplistic version of Ethics to dishonor and disrespect other hunters!

ding ding ding we have a winner


in my previous point I was trying to make the samepoint. What I think it ethical and what someone else thinks is ethical are going to be 2 different things.

and anyone who decides to force their ideal of ethics on someone else is headed down a slipery slope.

after all Peta thinks its unethical to hurt animals, so how are you going to compare their ethics to yours.


as I said if its legal that fine with me.


Ask our Ausi friends how they shoot roos you going to tell them thats not ethical

 

[sjemac]

x2 I'd much rather shoot nothing than kill a monster buck that was shot from a truck

The "Chevy - ought - six" is a powerful weapon in my arsenal. If I'm lucky enough to see an animal that allows me to drive within shooting range then I simply look at that as good luck for me and bad luck for the deer. I am more successful when I walk in and hunt away from the road but sometimes a "mid-afternoon" drive pays off where footwork didn't. Don't look at it as any different from me using a motor boat to set out my duck decoys and shoot from except for the fact that I'm allowed to shoot from my boat.

 

[jjackman]

If it's leagl and ethical to drive old riads for grouse, jump out and shoot them with a shotgun, what's the difference between birds and a trohpy deer from an "ethical" perspective. I find the discussion of ethics tiring, most guys think running deer with hounds is unethical. In Ontario or the deep south, it's not only legal, it's an accepted method of hunting.

While it may be legal, whether it's ethical or generally acceptable is a different matter. Just because some people do it doesn't make it OK (or wrong either). I'd say get a dog for the grouse and go for a walk or your missing the point. On the other hand, I've driven bushes, coulees and large tracks of land because it was efficient. I would also hunt big game with a trained dog if it was legal.

Ethics...yawn.....Even if it's legal, you still have to be OK with your methods yourself. If others disagree, respect their opinion but get on with life. AND DON"T GIVE THEM ANY SAUSAGE OR JERKY

 

[david doyle]

So those voting unethical must wake up in the morning have a coffee and walk to thier hunting area from thier suburban duplex??? What does it matter when you get out of the truck? As long as you get out before loading and shooting.
I wish everyone would "hollywood hunt" Leave more space for me to roam!

Animals don't care if the slug in thier lungs is warm from the truck or cold from being carried out side.

 

[fogducker]

ok to all that dissaprove of the said topic

let,s hear what is the proper distance to drive?we mostly all start off our hunt by jumping in our trucks...were is the get out of truck starting line?
is it 10 feet from a deer?
is it 10 yards from a deer?
is it a hundred yards?
is it miles?..will some one please tell me..i would so much like to please you,s all..

 

[BIGREDD]

ok to all that dissaprove of the said topic

let,s hear what is the proper distance to drive?we mostly all start off our hunt by jumping in our trucks...were is the get out of truck starting line?
is it 10 feet from a deer?
is it 10 yards from a deer?
is it a hundred yards?
is it miles?..will some one please tell me..i would so much like to please you,s all..

Right on fogducker... right on!

 

[Battle River]

In 23 years of hunting I have employed about every tactic known to take 6 species of game. I will say that those taken the farthest from the truck were the most rewarding, but its the whole hunting experience that matters, and how you approach it. the fact that I saw a mule deer doe from 2 miles away, drove to within 450 yards behind a hill, then belly crawled another 200 yards for a 1 shot kill does not make me a road hunter or unethical, it makes me a HUNTER who used the tools at hand to harvest an overpopulated surplus animal. BTW I hikes 1.5 miles straight uphill in the dark to take my bull elk this year, then packed it out half on my back. I take what the country will give me, hunt hard for the animal I want, then employ whatever legal means nessicary to take him. If he happens to be 3 miles from the truck thats fine, but I will also not refuse a lucky chance opportunity either. I raelly get a kick out of the high and mighty, who are apt to spout off without much field experience.,

 

[crazy_davey]

In 23 years of hunting I have employed about every tactic known to take 6 species of game. I will say that those taken the farthest from the truck were the most rewarding, but its the whole hunting experience that matters, and how you approach it. the fact that I saw a mule deer doe from 2 miles away, drove to within 450 yards behind a hill, then belly crawled another 200 yards for a 1 shot kill does not make me a road hunter or unethical, it makes me a HUNTER who used the tools at hand to harvest an overpopulated surplus animal. BTW I hikes 1.5 miles straight uphill in the dark to take my bull elk this year, then packed it out half on my back. I take what the country will give me, hunt hard for the animal I want, then employ whatever legal means nessicary to take him. If he happens to be 3 miles from the truck thats fine, but I will also not refuse a lucky chance opportunity either. I raelly get a kick out of the high and mighty, who are apt to spout off without much field experience.,

You sound like a "hunter" to me.

 

[gitrdun]

While it may be legal, whether it's ethical or generally acceptable is a different matter. Just because some people do it doesn't make it OK (or wrong either). I'd say get a dog for the grouse and go for a walk or your missing the point. On the other hand, I've driven bushes, coulees and large tracks of land because it was efficient. I would also hunt big game with a trained dog if it was legal.

Ethics...yawn.....Even if it's legal, you still have to be OK with your methods yourself. If others disagree, respect their opinion but get on with life. AND DON"T GIVE THEM ANY SAUSAGE OR JERKY

When all the smoke clears and after carefull consideration, I think jjackman has nailed it right on the head....I'll be the jerky nazi...., no jerky for you.

 

[oldbadger]

Back to treestands; do you mean that it is unethical for me to hunt those silly people with bow and arrows who are up in trees? ^The plumper ones stew up real good, and no tags are required.

 

[gitrdun]

Back to treestands; do you mean that it is unethical for me to hunt those silly people with bow and arrows who are up in trees? ^The plumper ones stew up real good, and no tags are required.

lol: If you wait long enough...they'll fall out on their own...

 

[woodchopper]

Back to treestands; do you mean that it is unethical for me to hunt those silly people with bow and arrows who are up in trees? ^The plumper ones stew up real good, and no tags are required.

ah but what is the appropriate firearm or tool for hunting them


and can we use bait or dogs

 

[Mr.4x4]

i blame all this on Trans-Fats

 

[wetcoaster]

Geezuz... every time Ethics comes up in a thread it turns into a s**t storm.
I previously said that a record book deer shot by road hunting is less worthy.. only in my opinion... I never said it shouldn't be in the book or that it wasn't ethical! And I certainly would not critisize anyone for doing so...
When are people going to realize that Ethics and Morality are and always will be a strictly personal issue.
That is the problem that I have with the whole Fair Chase movement... it is good in theory but impractical in practice.
Your own beliefs, ethics and morals with regard to hunting are born of your own local and familial traditions and hunting regulations and nurtured by your hunting experience.
For someone to preach to you that how you hunt is wrong and less ethical than theirs is simply stupid and only serves to divide us as hunters and weaken our fraternity!

Amen to the above,

man what a load of BS from the rightous in this thread. In B.C. it is legal to hunt public logging roads, you can't have a loaded gun in the truck or shoot from inside the vehicle but as soon as you are out it's legal. Ethics are a personal thing and your right does not equal my wrong if it's legal knock yourself out, I may not do it but that is a personal choice. My ethics include; Hunt to the law, respect other hunters rights and space, strive for a clean kill, strive to use every bit of animals you take and leave the bush the way you found it (plus the odd gut pile). Many of the high and mighty on this thread in 'MY OPINION' are displaying poor ethics as you are not respecting other hunters legal rights but it is just that, an opinion!

Personally as soon as I hit huntable road on my way into an area I want to hunt I have my gun across the seat and a shell in my fingers if I see something I am out and chasing it. I prefer to spot and stalk and hunt well into the back country but the whole time I am in the bush I am hunting road or not. If you happen to be at the top of the hill in cover having hunted it for hours and I jump out and shoot it too bad I just out hunted you with the tools that are legal to use. In my experience however I have rarely been as succesull in my truck as on foot well away from the road so those that hunt harder normally get the spoils.

A few quick questions: How do you ultra ethical hunters get into the back country without a vehicle? It must be a long walk from the house? Do you look for tracks and sign from your vehicle? If you see a track do you intentionally not hunt an area because you used the vehicle to hunt the animals that made the track? Where exactly is the ethical line? In finding the answers you may see the point.

Man some of you have some awfully high horses it's amazing you can even swing a leg up!

 

[GEORGE7mm]

As long as you are not breaking any laws in your province you ARE hunting. Nobody can tell you that what you are doing is wrong. Some of you guys sound like those religious guys that ring my doorbell trying to convince me that their religion is better than mine for christ sake.

Besides all this, you guys made me read 8 full pages of this thread and we still didnt find out what a hanson deer is.

 

[Foxer]

Besides all this, you guys made me read 8 full pages of this thread and we still didnt find out what a hanson deer is.

I think it's a deer that's lost one leg to cancer, and you shoot it just before it makes it to the pacific.

Bit morbid if you ask me, but what the hey.