Ethical hunting chalange

track said:
Likewise for me, a single shot Ruger #1, in a 300 H&H at 489 paces, straight through the heart. Yep, a 100 year old cartridge with a standard hunting rifle and a Harris bipod. Cortina is an idiot, regarding this matter!
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Sorry,
How does your alleged prowess make Cortina an idiot?
Its unclear from the photo or your statements.
You should watch one of the videos maybe.
I have seen most if not all of them and he is careful to do two things every time;
1. Explain that yes, the kill zone on most deer is going to be larger than a 5” circle, and
2. He passes no judgement on folks who choose to engage game at those distances.

He also records the event often including himself and the results which are not always successful.

You post a picture of a dead deer and an adjacent person and a harrowing tale of challenge which may or may not be true.

One simply does not equal the other.

So again, he is an idiot because…….?
 
iron cat said:
They were mostly magazine guns, but they were single loading , yes. Considering the temps were right at -20c , it was outstanding IMO

Cat
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This is incredible!
Assuming i make the correct wind call and/or have sighters, i can drop them in there at 500 with my rig but.
I can barely imagine single loading 5 shots in 8 seconds, let alone impacts at 500m on each of them.
This is starting with a cold bore?
 
Beeron said:
This is incredible!
Assuming i make the correct wind call and/or have sighters, i can drop them in there at 500 with my rig but.
I can barely imagine single loading 5 shots in 8 seconds, let alone impacts at 500m on each of them.
This is starting with a cold bore?
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Yes, and they finished the first match at 1,000 so they had to turret down from there, with no sighters .
Cat
 
Beeron said:
Sorry,
How does your alleged prowess make Cortina an idiot?
Its unclear from the photo or your statements.
You should watch one of the videos maybe.
I have seen most if not all of them and he is careful to do two things every time;
1. Explain that yes, the kill zone on most deer is going to be larger than a 5” circle, and
2. He passes no judgement on folks who choose to engage game at those distances.

He also records the event often including himself and the results which are not always successful.

You post a picture of a dead deer and an adjacent person and a harrowing tale of challenge which may or may not be true.

One simply does not equal the other.

So again, he is an idiot because…….?
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You gotta be kidding me?! If people are using 30 to 40 pound guns for hunting, then I believe there is something seriously wrong with their head. A precision made rifle with magnification of a spotting scope, zeroed-in prior to shooting at 500 yards, and knowing the distance; wow what a challenge! That's what makes him an idiot!

Just use an average hunting rifle, scope and cartridge, and under 9 pounds. Without their knowledge of distance, place the target at extreme long range and let their own eyes decide the distance, a real and true hunting scenario.

My prowess?................hey, I'm a FUDD!
 
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track said:
You gotta be kidding me?! If people are using 30 to 40 pound guns for hunting, then I believe there is something seriously wrong with their head. A precision made rifle with magnification of a spotting scope, zeroed-in prior to shooting at 500 yards, and knowing the distance; wow what a challenge! That's what makes him an idiot!

Just use an average hunting rifle, scope and cartridge, and under 9 pounds. Without their knowledge of distance, place the target at extreme long range and let their own eyes decide the distance, a real and true hunting scenario.
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Ahh, OK.
I get it now.
You think he is an idiot because YOU are an idiot!, spouting off without taking the time to check in to what you are spouting off about.

So one more time for the IDIOT,
As I (and others, including EC himself) have explained,
The competition is not about whether you can shoot a deer at 500 with a competition gun.

Jeezus H Murphy!!!.
It is a shooting "challenge" and it is meant to "challenge" our assumptions about what makes an ethical shot. You do see the pun there right!?
This because many people believe they are better than they actually are. Not you though, right?

The "Challenge" demonstrates specifically and expressly, that even to those using heavy and extremely accurate rifle systems, a 500 yard cold bore shot with no wind call is difficult and the World Champion himself even misses it, at least occasionally.
 
I would venture to guess most of the rifles used are 15-25 pounds. Cortina challenges proves that even with the best gear most people are not capable of making precise cold bore shots on game at distance.
 
Beeron said:
Ahh, OK.
I get it now.
You think he is an idiot because YOU are an idiot!, spouting off without taking the time to check in to what you are spouting off about.

So one more time for the IDIOT,
As I (and others, including EC himself) have explained,
The competition is not about whether you can shoot a deer at 500 with a competition gun.

Jeezus H Murphy!!!.
It is a shooting "challenge" and it is meant to "challenge" our assumptions about what makes an ethical shot. You do see the pun there right!?
This because many people believe they are better than they actually are. Not you though, right?

The "Challenge" demonstrates specifically and expressly, that even to those using heavy and extremely accurate rifle systems, a 500 yard cold bore shot with no wind call is difficult and the World Champion himself even misses it, at least occasionally.
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Awwwe, I see you have a false idol.
 
This should be an eye opener for sure.

When I go to our long range, I usually take out my bench rifle, and a few others to plink with.

I would say 90% of the people I see/meet out there never shoot out past 200m. I personally find it mind boggling.

The funniest one was a group of 3 fellas were out shooting out to 500m. They had just painted the steel at 2, 3, 4, and 500 meters and when they came back into the shooting shack one asked me to please not shoot their freshly painted steel, so they can see their hits. Now this was after they were there for atleast 1/2 hr while I was plinking steel with the bench rifle out much further, and you can clearly hear the shot to steel ring time was significant. I turned to him and said no worries, I'm already out past 1000m, and his other buddies just chuckled at him.

Was out the other weekend and fired up my wifes 7-08, as I have never had a chance to test the speed of my reloads. Bought a chrony after the load was set and ready. I started at 500m and took a few shots, and went to 600m for a few shots. I did miss 1 of the 600m ones.

Our marksman local match last Oct was great to see real scenarios as well as cold bore. 1 shot cold bore 1000m. Then 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 and finish at 1000m. Single shot cold bore, then possible 3 shots at other ranges. You hit, and then move on. You miss all 3, you move on. Was a crazy windy day, but there were about 6 out of 25ish that made the 1000 cold bore. Winning score of 140, with 3 tied. Max point was 230. 5 min to set up, and 25 min to shoot.
 
So, finally got around to watching the video and am not sure what point they are trying to make, if any. I really hope they aren’t saying that you have to be able to hold 1 MOA to be a ethical 500 meter hunter; because thats just stupid. You could shoot a clean score on an F Class target by holding 1 MOA. Hell; their dot is more than 1 MOA away from where I’d be trying to put the bullet.
 
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Dogleg said:
So, finally got around to watching the video and am not sure what point they are trying to make, if any. I really hope they aren’t saying that you have to be able to hold 1 MOA to be a ethical 500 meter hunter; because thats just stupid. You could shoot a clean score on an F Class target by holding 1 MOA. Hell; their dot is more than 1 MOA away from where I’d be trying to put the bullet.
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This is just my opinion, but I think with the advancements(advancements isn’t the right word, but maybe the hype from the internet?) and how easy it is to get a precision rifle and optic that there’s a lot of guys out there who think they’re capable of taking game at ### distance. I could share a dozen stories about guys I’ve talked too who try and shoot animals at crazy distances because “their gun” or “their cartridge” can do it without really having any experience or knowledge on how to get there, which is where the ethics comes in. The average guy shouldn’t be making a 500 yard shot on an animal, it takes alot of undersranding and experience to get there. The ethical hunter challenge sheds some light on these people and there idiocies.

I’ll share one and I’ll try and keep it short. One of our supervisors at work was telling me about how he was deer hunting for over a week with his young fella and he shot at all kinds of deer from 328 yards all the way out to 1000 and something, but couldn’t hit nudding. He told me he held 4 feet elevation for the deer that was 1000 yards away and he should’ve held 7 and he would’ve got it. I told him I was shooting my hunting rifle at 1000metres a few days before and I was dialed up over 25 feet. He looked kind of surprised and it was a completey foreign idea to him that he had no clue on what he was doing, the problem was his scope and his muzzle break. There was no way he could come to the conclusion that he needed to learn how to shoot, he needed a burris eliminator and he’d get em next time. I tried to be polite and I invited him out to a steel shoot so he could see what it takes to reach out.

That’s one story but I could keep going for hours.
 
iron cat said:
What is the name of your home club, if you don't mind me asking Wallz?
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Prince George Rod and Gun Club.

Ha ha ha. Holding 4 ft when he should have held 7 at 1000m. I would love to have heard that one in person. He probably doesn't even know what 1000m looks like in the field.

I was quite surprised that I was the only one using a range finder with ballistics calc for the 1000 m shoot I was in. To me that is the only true way to get proper dope in the conditions that you are currently in. Most used range cards, but that doesn't in any way take into account your current conditions.

Still amazes me with the low cost of binos these days the amount of guys that hunt without them, much less hunt without any range finders. And they want to call themselves long range hunters???
 
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