F-Class "supports" question

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I've been reading the DCRA rules, and I'm not 100% clear on one point. In F-class, it discussed supports for the rifle, and I'm clear that it's no more than 3 "legs", e.g. a bipod is OK - I assume a "tripod" would be too...

For the rear rest, though, is the only choice a sandbag (or none at all)? There was a section about rests not attached to the rifle that I wasn't quite clear on - does that mean (for example), monopods like the accu-shot are not permitted?

If anyone has a clarification, 'twould be much appreciated!
 
You can pound a big benchrest front rest into the ground. You can use heavy rear bags, or attach sleds, monopods, or anything else you can dream up within the weight restriction (22lbs). If its not attached to the rifle it doesn't count as weight. Jokers who are scared to test their skill are pushing it as far as they can. F-class is becoming "###" class. People say that "the rules allow it so I have to follow". Well if you brought a new shooter to the range telling him that you were a "1000-yard marksman" he would laugh when he realized that he was too with your setup. If everyone admitted that it was shameful, the rules could be changed immediately.
I don't care who beats me with benchrest bull####, I will shoot from a bipod. They and I both know that they are clowns. To answer your question, use whatever you want, and your self respect allows.
 
Richard338 said:
You can pound a big benchrest front rest into the ground. You can use heavy rear bags, or attach sleds, monopods, or anything else you can dream up within the weight restriction (22lbs). If its not attached to the rifle it doesn't count as weight. Jokers who are scared to test their skill are pushing it as far as they can. F-class is becoming "###" class. People say that "the rules allow it so I have to follow". Well if you brought a new shooter to the range telling him that you were a "1000-yard marksman" he would laugh when he realized that he was too with your setup. If everyone admitted that it was shameful, the rules could be changed immediately.
I don't care who beats me with benchrest bull####, I will shoot from a bipod. They and I both know that they are clowns. To answer your question, use whatever you want, and your self respect allows.
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Many people have tried to turn "F" class into an equipment race, but the fact remains that one still has to dope the wind.

Good marksmanship wins out over equipment , IMHO.
Cat
 
We had a match with 20 f-class guys. We shot 600 yards (calm conditions), then 800 (a bit of wind), then 2 strings at 1000 (tricky winds).
12 guys beat me at 600 (the benchrest guys were pounding them in).
6 guys beat me at 800 (they started to have a bit of trouble).
1 guy beat me at 1000. (The benchrest guys from the US fell apart).
Overall that means I do OK, but I hate watching them shoot free-recoil, reaching in to pinch a 2oz trigger, with baby-powder (how fitting) on the bags. They might as well sit in a lawn chair and pull a string when the flags are how they like it.
 
Given equal ability, the guy with less accurate equipment (tuned system) will always lose. If you can afford the toys why not minimize the variables? Pretty obvious. Its an accepted fact that outside conditions dictate the degree of accuracy....
 
Richard338 said:
We had a match with 20 f-class guys. We shot 600 yards (calm conditions), then 800 (a bit of wind), then 2 strings at 1000 (tricky winds).
12 guys beat me at 600 (the benchrest guys were pounding them in).
6 guys beat me at 800 (they started to have a bit of trouble).
1 guy beat me at 1000. (The benchrest guys from the US fell apart).
Overall that means I do OK, but I hate watching them shoot free-recoil, reaching in to pinch a 2oz trigger, with baby-powder (how fitting) on the bags. They might as well sit in a lawn chair and pull a string when the flags are how they like it.
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I never worry about what anybody else shoots in competition.
I shoot what I prefer to shoot, as long as it is legal, which is why I choose to shoot falling blocks most of the time instead od a bolt action, and lighter calibers .
Originall, Farquarson designed this class so those guys that could not see with irons or hold a rifle with a sling guys could still compete and have fun doing it.....
Cat
 
It isn't old guys with poor vision who are pushing the benchrest setup envelope. Young, physically-able clowns who are afraid to hold the gun are doing it.
I shoot only for my own satisfaction, but I would be ashamed to use such a setup. Show an outsider the big trolley of equipment and free-recoil shooting and see what they say about marksmanship. "wow, classical physics, a predictable trajectory, that was news in the 1600's".
 
Well, I'm thinking "F" class because of my eyes for sure. I tried TR, but that fuzzy black thing way off in the distance eluded me a lot :)

I did hear tell of TR-optical, and want to look into it, though. I'm quite happy holding the rifle generally, just like to see what I'm shooting at a bit better!

I'm not going the whole 9 yards with a bench rest, just wondered if a rear monopod was allowed instead of a sandbag. Sandbags are heavy to tote around, and I'm feeble as well as blind :)
 
Wow, no thats some opinion on gear and shooting style...

Personally I shoot both ways and find that whatever floats your boat and works is what you should do.

Heck if we all shot the same way with the same equipment, things would be boring and the results..........well who knows. Then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.....
 
Benchrest equipment has its place-at a benchrest match.
I find developments in benchrest equipment interesting, but not applied to 1000 yard target rifle competition. If people want to shoot benchrest great, go shoot benchrest. If you shoot a small group I'll be impressed.
 
Island, I like my Caldwell Rock for a front rest. It will work alongside the best for only $70.00 US. As to the rear bag if you dont want to carry a sandbag try a rolled up towell. Lots lighter and you can throw it over your shoulder when you're walking arround.
 
Richard338, I will agree with you, the "F open" is beggening to be an equipement race that as no end. As you know I have shot in "F-F" and also been one of the clown :roll: in "F-open" and the comments that I have heard from competitor from both class are completely different, when you win in "F-F" the guys comes to you and says "man your a good shooter" and when you win in "F-open" they say "Hey what type of equippement do you have there". Next season I will go back to the "F-F" where I ad much more fun.

Like ssgp2 said to me once "the equipement you use should be attach to your rifle" that means bi-pod and mono-pod nothing more... 8)

Oh and by the way, I understand that you dont like to use sand bags but man could you use something else than a blue dirthy laundry bag to shoot that T-wolf... :lol:

ps:if you still need the laser rangefinder I should receve it monday :D
 
Arrowhead,
Like I told you, I was impressed when you shot so well off a bipod.
ssgp2 has the right ideas about shooting.
That laundry bag isn't dirty! (too dirty).
Wow, that was fast, yes I'd still like to try out the range finder.
 
If i am shooting what the rules permit, but not what somebody else is, even if they are within said rules, I don't get my drawers in a knot over it.
It just makes me concentrate a little more on what I have to do to win.

Cat
 
Now I have to go look up "F-F" class - didn't know about that one
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F-F Class is a target rifle with a scope. 7.62NATO/.308 Win, max 155 gr bullet or 5.56NATO/.223 Rem. with a 80 gr bullet. Bi-pods or rests, same as F Open, sissy/ rear bags allowed. The overall weight of the rifle must include the front rest(bi-pod) and rear mono-pod if it is attached. I am not sure of the weight limit, but you can find it on the DCRA web page.
 
I grew up with the term "sissy bag" reffering to the rear bag that a person sometimes uses BEHIND the rifle between the buuttstock and the shoulder to cut down on recoil.

The rear bag UNDER the stock has been reffered to recently by some as a
sissy bag also, so I dunno.
Same thing?
Cat
 
Must be a slow week, everyone including Maynard are picking on the F Class Open shooters. Given that shooting sports in Canada are not as popular with the general public, perhaps we shouldn't be slagging different disciplines from within.
I shoot 2 competitive disciplines, and find F Class very interesting even without the clown suit.

Terry Perkins
 
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