Factory Savage wins big shoot!

[shazam*]

oh, and Jefferson...
Thanks... your last post was much more useful and informative. (mostly)
Personally, I think it is a pity that you are leaving because of this.

 

[Oscar Makonka]

I know a little about short range br and br shooters and believe me if savage rifles were up to the task in this very technical game the shooters at all these matches would be using them. They are not, nor are they using remingtons.

 

[troutseeker]

Wow! So much hate towards the non-believer.... Still think this forum isn't a cult 2Bad4U?

Wow! I don't hate you, just the snobbery you portray so well... Would you like some cheese with that whine?

By the way, thanks for making my mind up with your attitude. I was going to start shooting competitively, but alas no more. I am too afraid of running into the likes of you at a shoot. Too bad, as I was looking forward to the Kamloops match in the fall and I was even thinking I'd go say hello to Aubrey for 1K (now HE is a gentleman!).

That's ok though, as I will shoot with my friend Mysticplayer, we'll have fun and I'll learn from him.

Troutseeker

 

[BCFred]

I know a little about short range br and br shooters and believe me if savage rifles were up to the task in this very technical game the shooters at all these matches would be using them. They are not, nor are they using remingtons.

X2, without the knowledge about br. Thanks for that. I think it would be ridiculous to claim otherwise too. (So would Jerry. Necessary, because things are being said about him that simply aren't true.)

All that being said, having bought and shot Remington, Springfield, Mauser, etc. for so many years, I have been pleasantly surprised by Savages recently, and by the Savage action I have (my first in years). What has happened to me is that this has rekindled my interest. The other day I started thinking Nesika, Panda, Krieger, Gaillard, etc. just because of the small groups I have been seeing with my Savage (not teeny, teeny, tiny; yes 5 shots; I want to eliminate yesterdays results as there was a fishtailing wind that drove me nutz.). This for somewhere around $500 for the basic equipment without the scope (Leupold 36X BR, bought many years ago; my money went into a scope); second hand barrel ($100); $350 rifle; free stock; could build my own, but got lucky and lazy). Rechambering and reinstallation of the barrel cost extra. That's the way interest grows for me and for many others. For myself, having a life outside shooting; and having so many things I want to do; and having so many different types of shooting I like to do; and having so many more kinds to learn about; causes a problem and forces choices. I would really have to approach the dedication of funds and time it would take to shoot respectable benchrest, let alone compete well, or even be a champion, if it was in the cards and I had some talent, slowly and in small steps. The desire is there, of course, for me as well as ANY friends I have in shooting. There is something fascinating about the idea of extreme precision (where br exists in my mind). What helps it grow is having other more dedicated and talented people making information available to get you started on the developmental path.

Another thing that strikes me again and again is the question of what exists in the shooting sports, regardless of venue, for the guy or girl who, for whatever reason, never will be top competitor or even competitively inclined. They are the people that keep a sport going and, in case no one has noticed, there is alot of competition for their time from other sports, as well as negative public opinion to deal with. None of this is helped by dissing people who are out there trying.

 

[troutseeker]

You kow, after re-reading he whole enchillada I may have changed my mind! I am a snazzy dresser so I think this whole BR stuff is made for me. I'll just go did in my closet and find that old village people outfit. And then I'll go practice reading wind flags next to wind bags!

Hummm, ok, maybe not!


Cheers, Troutseeker

 

[BCFred]

You kow, after re-reading he whole enchillada I may have changed my mind! I am a snazzy dresser so I think this whole BR stuff is made for me. I'll just go did in my closet and find that old village people outfit. And then I'll go practice reading wind flags next to wind bags!

Hummm, ok, maybe not!
Cheers, Troutseeker

Are you sure it isn't a rendevous you're heading too or a cowboy action shoot? That's where you find the snazzy dressers. Of course, some of their rifles load from the wrong end, but who cares, maybe they'll start a sub MOA trend. Heck, maybe you will troutseeker...
PS...does village people gear help in a fishtailing wind?

 

[troutseeker]

Are you sure it isn't a rendevous you're heading too or a cowboy action shoot? That's where you find the snazzy dressers. Of course, some of their rifles load from the wrong end, but who cares, maybe they'll start a sub MOA trend. Heck, maybe you will troutseeker...
PS...does village people gear help in a fishtailing wind?

Well I do plan on having a ### old time! As far as village peole outfits, I have heard that the construction worker and biker have no issues in even the strongest winds. The other fellows are suffering though, especially the fellow with the plumage on his head...

All kidding aside, I received a PM from a member of the Kamloops Shooting Sports Association (hope I got it right...). Very nice guy and it look's like I will be attending their fall shoot. Now I have to decide which outfit to wear...

Troutseeker

 

[shazam*]

don't go for the one with the feathers... they might position you down range as a wind flag.

 

[BCFred]

Well I do plan on having a ### old time! As far as village peole outfits, I have heard that the construction worker and biker have no issues in even the strongest winds. The other fellows are suffering though, especially the fellow with the plumage on his head...

All kidding aside, I received a PM from a member of the Kamloops Shooting Sports Association (hope I got it right...). Very nice guy and it look's like I will be attending their fall shoot. Now I have to decide which outfit to wear...

Troutseeker

Really glad to hear you're going to the KTSA shoots. Will probably see you at the Farquy along with "he who shall not be named". Intend to cover myself in glory at the Farquy this year( or is that cover myself in sh**?). The KTSA bunch generally put on a good match and the Farquy is in memory of a decent fellow who did alot for shooting in Kamloops in his day. In fact, I received some instruction from George Farquarson shortly before his death. I feel glad to have met him. Pay attention to Shazam's advice regarding clothing

 

[Longshot]

Ok enough already.

Rpollock,Marksmen and Jefferson.You guys obviously have some experience.The vast majority of shooters/new shooters are looking for information.That's it.Information.
How about you share some of this wealth of knowledge you claim to have instead of downing someone else who IS sharing info for a change.
If Jerry or anyone else is wrong then state why and let people decide for themselves instead of attacking and name calling.Your opinion is not the be all and end all as Jerry's isn't.This is a forum for discussion.Start discussing in a civi,informative manner.Period.
Last warning.

Mysticplayer.
Your comment about BR shooters not knowing how to read the wind without flags(that's how I read it anyways) was rather inflammitory.The statement may or may not be true,but as I'm sure you haven't met EVERYONE who shoots BR,its a poor generallisation.Cease and desist in making general comments about BR shooters or any other discipline.

To all.
Any rifle that enables new shooters to at least get thier foot in the door is a good rifle to me.Is it competitive at the highest of levels?Who cares.New shooters aren't anywhere near that level anyways.When they get better they can save thier money and buy something competitive.
It is my opinion that BR shooters should welcome anyone shooting anything ,with open arms.Especially cheaper rifles that beginners might use.Because without new shooters,your sport is doomed to fade away.

Now play nice or I'll lock this thread.

 

[catnthehatt]

cover myself in sh**?). The KTSA bunch generally put on a good match and the Farquy is in memory of a decent fellow who did alot for shooting in Kamloops in his day. In fact, I received some instruction from George Farquarson shortly before his death. I feel glad to have met him. Pay attention to Shazam's advice regarding clothing

You realize, Fred ,that "F class" stands for Farquarson, because George pioneered the class in the DCRA?
it does not, (as some would have use believe) have it's origins int he U.S.!!
Cat

 

[Marksmen]

Ok enough already.

Rpollock,Marksmen and Jefferson.You guys obviously have some experience.The vast majority of shooters/new shooters are looking for information.That's it.Information.
How about you share some of this wealth of knowledge you claim to have instead of downing someone else who IS sharing info for a change.
If Jerry or anyone else is wrong then state why and let people decide for themselves instead of attacking and name calling.Your opinion is not the be all and end all as Jerry's isn't.This is a forum for discussion.Start discussing in a civi,informative manner.Period.

OK What does everyone discuss. I started the accuracy game with an AR-15, Moved to a model 70 Winchester. One of the most accurate rifle I ever owned was built on a pistol action XP-100. There is no charm or flukey magic combination when it comes to the accuracy game.

I am a little discouraged with the mentoring of the newbe. I have done lots and lots of it in my day. I continue to do so. I loaned out rifles for matches. I've done free gun smithing to help get a guy going. But the true is it is a very expensive sport or hobby to get into or maintain. I have over the years have seen guys show up at a match with the latest gun shop winning combo and end up very very disappointed at there performance. We have given out beginner trophy's and factory class trophy's or the youth trophy. But in the end they can only win those once. Never see them again. The Factory class rifle matches become a Nascar thing with all sorts of ways to cheat and becomes very unfair. So what do we do to get things going and grow the sport. You have to be very honest. Let people know when things are not straight. The shooting sports and internet is full of miss information. I watched CSI Miami the other night on a sniper. what a load of crap.

 

[Longshot]

You just don't get it do you?Most guys just want some info and then want to go test it out for themselves.You can tell them stuff all day but when it comes down to it,they want to try it out for themselves and maybe,if thier lucky,make an improvement.Or maybe not.Or in the process learn something new.And you're right.I wouldn't show up a second time if I got a snotty attitude like some of you guys are giving out.If a Savage isn't going to shoot then tell him why and if your a real contributor,help him to get the most out of his rifle EVENTHOUGH you know it won't be competitive.He'll see the light after he's done everything possible to it and still can't keep up(You might even sell him another rifle!).And that's how you keep people in the sport.Being friendly and not laughing or sneering when someone tries something different or has a different opinion.
I would hazzard a guess to say that most guys don't care about winning all the gongs.They just want to get out there,breathe some fresh air,send some lead down range and have some fun.If they win a few trinkets or beat a personal best its a bonus.

 

[Longshot]

Why don't you guys tell us some of the tricks to tuning your high speed rifles,barrels and ammo?Everyone can learn a thing or two from someone else.

 

[stepnout kennels]

This has been the single most discouraging post I have read! SHAME ON YOU ALL WHO DESERVE IT! SHAME ON YOU. This was suppose to be a post about "Factory Savage wins big shoot!" Instead it has turned into something RIDICULES! Grow up PLEASE!
Has anyone been able to substantiate the claims in the original post?

 

[BCFred]

You realize, Fred ,that "F class" stands for Farquarson, because George pioneered the class in the DCRA?
it does not, (as some would have use believe) have it's origins int he U.S.!!
Cat

Yup, I knew that! Doesn't hurt to tell George's story again. He was a good man. I didn't know him long, but he had an impact on my pursuit of shooting, that's for sure.

Actually, I shot in some of the early F class matches back when we pulled our own targets, something I miss actually. I even had some good scores. Mike Cianci used to show up with his 6mm PPC. A funny guy named Tom Tripp was starting out then and just starting to shoot good scores. I remember Paul Reibin shooting and Mark Anderson. I think Mick McPhee was shooting from a bench even then. I doubt that anyone talked him into laying on his belly. I was more dedicated to silhouette shooting at that time and things got in the way of my continuing to shoot either; illness, moving, the renovation from hell on our new farm and other work-related stuff. So I had to quit shooting for a number of years. But I have good memories of the matches and the effort some people were putting out to make things work. Even helped with building the benches and putting up the target stands back then, though others did much more. It was nice to see how far it had come last year. Mark Anderson was certainly one of the prime movers behind keeping F Class going in Kamloops, if not the prime mover. Don't want to ignore others, but I believe we all owe Mark a real debt of gratitude for the way things went back then, and for hosting the matches now, for that matter. Sorry for the runon...

 

[viper7]

I think every shooting sport runs into the "arms race" in the introductory levels.

The same thing has happened in Production division in IPSC.

When I was going to dirt track races, they had a rule that the winner had to offer his car for sale, as it stood, to anyone in the crowd for $1000.

That seemed to cut down on the "arms race" just fine.

Maybe the shooting sports should consider something similar at the "factory" levels in BR, F class, TR, etc.

Might encourage some new guys with their savages and Rem 700s to come out.

I found the IBS website very informative and can see SR BR score matches catching on at our club, where we only have 200 yards to play with.

Best, and good shooting.

V7

 

[BCFred]

Sounds like a great idea V7. I've been wondering when Savage will bring out an action for precision shooting much like Remington did the 40bx. Fred

 

[Mystic Precision]

viper, a 'claimer' rule would be very interest. Based off an MSRP (not sale price) so replacement is possible. Afterall, you have to cover the taxes and shipping. Of course with such lousy supply sometimes, a shooter may not be able to find a replacement. That would be very discouraging

BCFred, Savage has offered their target action for a year or so now. It is a small port RPRB or LPRB single shot action with an accutrigger that is supposed to lighten to 6ozs. Also uses the larger shank barrel. Component actions are available in the US for $400ish. Not sure what they are worth up here.

There is no other mass production company that offers a factory trigger that light nor a LPRB action.

Jerry

 

[BCFred]

Thanks Jerry. I see I'm only a year behind, things are improving. Have you done any work with the action? Have any thoughts about it? $400 is pretty good for a precise action. Fred