Failed cartridges....
- Thread starter Gatehouse
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Wouldn't it be easier to ask about the ones introduced that are going to make it? Seems the list would be sooo much shorter.
John Y Cannuck said:
I like that. In reality, in the last ten year introductions, you will be looking at the .300 WSM, .17HMR and the .204 Ruger as being the mainstays. All the rest will linger on for a decade or two, then they give up the gohst. They will probably be reserected 30 or 40 years down the road with a rise in popularity as the cycle comes back full circle.
Well I own a few so calles failed cartridges, one being my favorite for mid sized game the 264, it failed because of one particular writer like well the 270 (fine cartridge) and one other that liked the 7mm mag humm! I think its far from failed me but does lack in some aspects but not many if used for the practical use.
The others i own are the RUM familt and the STW family , yes i will say expensive, not very efficiant for the powder burn, and hard on cases. Simpley put the 7mm RUM and the 7mm STW and yes fast but does not completely knock the doors off the 7mm mag i have? cronnyed them all and theres not that much more and at 500 y well who cares.
Another not failed cart but one i feel has a big bark very expencive brass/powder is the 30-378 whick i own one and really in the big picture is not that much more than a 300 wm loaded up! yes its fas yes it hits harder but!! 115g ov pwder vs 75 humm!
well no cartridge has failed in my eyes there are just better case designs that improve velocity/accuracy , lower recoil and efficiancy of powder burn, get that combo right and its a good sell, vs the opposite some cartridges were promissed to do more than there intent, and failed in the field with lack of knowledge to the hunter when he pulled the trigger, more so in africa.
The others i own are the RUM familt and the STW family , yes i will say expensive, not very efficiant for the powder burn, and hard on cases. Simpley put the 7mm RUM and the 7mm STW and yes fast but does not completely knock the doors off the 7mm mag i have? cronnyed them all and theres not that much more and at 500 y well who cares.
Another not failed cart but one i feel has a big bark very expencive brass/powder is the 30-378 whick i own one and really in the big picture is not that much more than a 300 wm loaded up! yes its fas yes it hits harder but!! 115g ov pwder vs 75 humm!
well no cartridge has failed in my eyes there are just better case designs that improve velocity/accuracy , lower recoil and efficiancy of powder burn, get that combo right and its a good sell, vs the opposite some cartridges were promissed to do more than there intent, and failed in the field with lack of knowledge to the hunter when he pulled the trigger, more so in africa.
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Claybuster said:
The only ones I can think of are the SAUM's, which even Remington seems to have given up on, since they are now chambering rifles in WSM rounds, IIRC.
The WSM's came out about 5-6 years ago, and I recall the "stock up on brass" comments then, but the sales of the 300 and 270 have been strong.
The WSSM's would always have a much smaller appeal due to thier nature, and now wiht only Browning chambering them it's not looking so good for them,...
Wild_Thing
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I agree with previous posts that some of the RUMs and all the SAUMs are heading to the history bin. Remington is mostly at fault for the lack of success of it's cartridges. They just don't market them effectively and their quality of workmanship in their rifles has degraded significantly over the years. Hopefully the practice of failure will end now that the company has been acquired by new owners.
That being said, I own a .260 Rem that i picked up for the kid and a .300 RUM for myself when they first came out. They both have been pretty good for the use that they were purchased for. I hope that Remington can be turned around.
That being said, I own a .260 Rem that i picked up for the kid and a .300 RUM for myself when they first came out. They both have been pretty good for the use that they were purchased for. I hope that Remington can be turned around.
I dont think there is a bad cartridge. Some may do what others do, but in slightly different ways. It keeps things interesting. I own a 243 and a 30-06 which are mainstay cartridges, but I also own a 221 Fireball, 260 Remington, and as of yesterday an 8mm Rem Mag. Semi oddballs in the past have been 25-284 Win, 7saum, 300saum, 338 ultra, 416 rem. GOod fun
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I dunno Martin, the people that I know that own them like them very much.martinbns said:
I think the things like the .444 the 376, etc are pretty specific to their own rifles, and I can't get my head a round that.
Of course I think the 25WSSM is only available in one rifle as well?
Cat
I have to dissagree with the notion that the WSSM's are going to die.
They are growing in popularity slowly but growing none the less.
The fact that only Browning chambers for them is probably the only reason they are not more popular than they already are. If Winchester had not gone tits up and continued making affordable bolt actions I think things would be different as well.
If another manufacurer ever tools up for a Super Short Action and offers entry level priced rifles I am certain you would hear more about them.
FYI Browning continues to sell every rifle they build in the WSSM cartridges, and the .25 continues to sell as well.
They are growing in popularity slowly but growing none the less.
The fact that only Browning chambers for them is probably the only reason they are not more popular than they already are. If Winchester had not gone tits up and continued making affordable bolt actions I think things would be different as well.
If another manufacurer ever tools up for a Super Short Action and offers entry level priced rifles I am certain you would hear more about them.
FYI Browning continues to sell every rifle they build in the WSSM cartridges, and the .25 continues to sell as well.
300 Saum
308 Norma Mag
The 300 SAUM has a distinct following (USA) and that they are starting to use it as a tactical round for law enforcement and Military. But we'll see I guess. I just want a model seven LS in 6.5 Swede! Make one already!
HHB
308 Norma Mag
The 300 SAUM has a distinct following (USA) and that they are starting to use it as a tactical round for law enforcement and Military. But we'll see I guess. I just want a model seven LS in 6.5 Swede! Make one already!
HHB
