Eaglelord17
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The sporterized Arisakas is accurate. Corwin Arms just had a bunch as well.
Fake Mexican marked guns
- Thread starter Horilka
- Start date
You still have the "FAKE" Portuguese Mauser - Mexican Contract 8MM"
for sale on another site, with a somewhat changed description.
No shame!
Refurbished in Mexico with crests on handguard and stock
8mm Mauser (7,92x57)
Mint bore, perfect rifling.
Asking $950
for sale on another site, with a somewhat changed description.
No shame!
Description
Portuguese M1904/39 Mauser–Vergueiro RifleRefurbished in Mexico with crests on handguard and stock
8mm Mauser (7,92x57)
Mint bore, perfect rifling.
Asking $950
I gotta look up my notes, but as far as I remember many things were standing out, such as mistakes in Spanish, state crest stamped on metal (!) under "police markings". Pure fantasy.
P.S. Feels like deja vu, we already had influx of fakes years ago from couple of BC businesses, would not be surprised that the same ppl are behind this.
P.S. Feels like deja vu, we already had influx of fakes years ago from couple of BC businesses, would not be surprised that the same ppl are behind this.
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I don't understand the hostility.
I stand by whatever I sell, and I list it to the best of whatever I know about the rifle.
If anyone actually messaged me about the "Mexican marked" Mauser with info, I would have changed the description. Instead of posting on forums that I almost never visit, it would have helped to just message me directly about the subject. I would have gladly accepted any information about it, and listed it accordingly.
I never lost credibility, I always stood honestly in regarding to what I sell. You asked for credentials on the Arisakas, and I provided all the information on them. If you have contrary information, please provide it. I described everything in good faith, as I know it. If you disagree, I can listen to your position, and change my listings if your info checks out.
The issue I have, is that you asked for credentials, and I provided them. Instead of engaging with them in good faith, you simply responded with "Say whatever you say, I do not believe a single word."
This is not intellectual discussion. Please, if you have issues with anything I posted, bring them up, and I will be happy to correct any errors in my listings.
the translation on the receiver translates to “Mexico City police”. There’s no mistake with the exception the final letter of “ciudad” should’ve a D and it appears oddly bud not a bad translation nor an immediate red flag as I’m sure it wouldn’t have been stamped well by mid 20’s Mexican police. The Mexican crests are accurate to the time period of examples of Mexican mausers of the mid 20’s era. (see photos, first 2 are shotgun you speak of, other two the mausers). The receiver stamp is a bit lighter at the bottom but stamp in general is the same as the stock stamp. And on that policia is just police obviously. Is it possible it’s a fake, ya of course. But I’d pose the question of why would you fake a marlin model 43 as a Mexico City police gun? It’s far too random of a gun to just fake. And if a person had the ability to fake a Mexico City police gun, don’t you think they would do multiple to “sell” the idea? Either way I have inquired to the owner for more details as his posts was only looking for more information regarding the guns legitimacy and not actually trying to pass it off as an authentic Mexican police firearm. If you have examples to point out the “fakeness” of this please do.
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Also the Marlin model 43 was made from 1922-1930 thus making that 1925 stamp accurate to the time frame. Again could be fake but, faking a Marlin model 43 shotgun to the extent of adding all those stamps of a Mexico City police gun to me, is far to random of a circumstance to be fake. If I was a a betting man I’d want to believe it’s real but obviously no examples of this model have come up for sale but in that same boat there has been no fakes of this model either lol
I did just that in November, but you still sell the rifle as a Mexican contract Mauser.
I even posted it on CGN https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/what-is-this-a-frankenstein-vergueiro.2545976/
I'm far away from blaming people, I prefer to see and stick to facts. I have dealt with jack2000 several times, had very positive experience and there were no issues with descriptions and one invisible issue was addressed. The reason I opened the topic is to bring the awareness to significant amount of fake Mexican crests, I have seen them from several sellers. I think as milsurplus collectors we have a duty to preserve history, not to ruin it.
You remember correctly. Also fake WP markings on SVT and MN stocks, fake Nazi eagles on SVTs, fake SVT bayonets, faked markings on TT magazines. Now, good ppl from my contacts just reminded me about faked Canadian markings on Italian refurbished No.4 and No.1s, not my subject, can't elaborate. This is just what I recall without looking through notes.
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Oh my...
The markings on that gun are outright fake.
Pure fantasy piece.
I am not even sure I want to point out why that gun is bad, as it will just assist the fakers.
To answer your question: "why would you fake a marlin model 43 as a Mexico City police gun?"
Because some people are unscrupulous, and if they can squeeze another cent out of someone at the cost of devaluing a firearm by covering it with fake stamps or a fantasy story, they sure will.
This is a reoccurring topic and has been for decades in the global firearms industry. I've seen fakes of almost anything and everything you can think of. If money is involved, fakes will come out of the woodwork. I've even sold guns that have reappeared with fake markings, and have been offered back to me as "new" or "rare" etc.
I wish these people did not exist in the collecting world, yet here we are.
As for the Mexican crest stamp itself, it is completely fake.
I will not be elaborating for fear of assisting the fakers.
It is a darn convincing fake, but not convincing enough to the trained eye.
Btw, that same stamp is appearing everywhere on these guns coming out of BC... literally the same fake stamp, struck on metal and wood.
Crest marking itself is a fake, it doesn't correspond to any existing period crest, similar in look, yes, but incorrect.
Ask yourself - how could a same die be used on "Police acquired civilian pump" AND outright faked rifles?
Ask yourself - are there ANY other Mexican police firearm marked with 2! crests and such extensive markings?
That reminds me another batch of fakes from BC I forgot to mention above - fake SVT-40 snipers had Izhevsk marking in the fake notch and _exactly the same die_ of fake Izhevsk marking was stamped on newly made fake SVT bayonets from Poland. Same ppl doing same chit - sloppy and indiscriminating job, and sometimes I think it's not because of $ - just "let me see where I can slap more of these markings... handguard? great place to slap the state crest!".
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I haven't had this rifle posted for a while, probably a month and a half now. I don't have any "Mexican marked" guns listed.
I haven't had this posted for months now. I don't appreciate that I am being accused of having "no shame", for something I am not doing.
If I was informed about this rifle previously, I would have gladly changed the description.
Never heard of this website. All my listings are on #######. If you click the link where it re-directs to the actual listing, you can see that it does not exist anymore.
