I have shot dozens of targets with the ACR and they all look the same but when I had an XCR my targets looked nothing like yours. You should hold on to that unicorn.Done with romanian surplus in brass case ....
Famae 540 vs. XCR vs. ACR
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5 shots fired. 1 flyer. Hornady SST Superperformance 150gr. Measuring without flyer. No scope. 100 meters. Range - POCO.
The accuracy reports you're seeing are ones with Surplus or Russian manufactured .308. A Springfield M1A won't do any better. 3" with dirt shooting ammo is damn well acceptable to not just myself but many others. 1.6" with higher grade ammunition is really good. Imagine if it had a scope. That flyer wouldn't be there if it did.
not everybody wants an AR 15 in .308, but it seems like everybody is searching for an accurate semi auto .223 AR 15 alternative. If the Modern Varminter can be had starting at $2500 and shoots 1moa or under, why would anybody want to pay the same or more for a less accurate XCR or ACR ??
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Caliber conversions.
Another unique alternative. I would and will still have a Tavor and ACR when I do get a MV.
because not everybody want a .223 .... i doubt that the modern varminter will be at 2500 , by the cost of the MH it would be closer of a 3500-4000k , at this range of price you can have some nice bolt action that will perform better
not everybody is obsessed by the accuracy
Not everybody can afford to have as many cool guns as you !
I think they stated that they were going to try to offer it cheaper than the MH.
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Not sure I can afford it either. It means alot of sacrifices in other areas that should probably be prioritized over "toys".
Hows the VZ-AK coming? We should meet up at a range some day. I want to sell my VZ, but I can't bring myself to sell it due to the anticipation of seeing your art!
I havent been able to work on it for like a month now... busy restoring an old Steam boat lol BUT that project is nearing its end so i'll be able to resume work on Vera soon 
when I get her finished, i'll be taking all 3 of the Russian girls out to Sibald for a test run, I can shoot you a message when I decide on the day if youd like.
when I get her finished, i'll be taking all 3 of the Russian girls out to Sibald for a test run, I can shoot you a message when I decide on the day if youd like.
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I havent been able to work on it for like a month now... busy restoring an old Steam boat lol BUT that project is nearing its end so i'll be able to resume work on Vera soon
You could but I probably wouldn't be able to make it unless we planned ahead a bit. I'm from over an hour east of Red Deer, so its a full day to come out to Calgary and come home thanks to a round trip travel time totalling over 5 hrs.
AR 15 does not come in 308?
My ACR is under 1MOA as posted in this thear earlier with pics. I can also get someone to make caliber conversions like 30 AR, 50 Beowulf, 7.62x39 and 450 Bushmaster. Something that is unavailable for any other NR black rifle platform.
A few different 223 semi autos on the market that can shoot under 1MOA, HK SL8, swiss arms, and the ACR just to name a few that I have done it with.
5 minutes with a certified firearms verifier. It's a single page form after he inspects the rifle. Then you wait 3-6 weeks for the CFO to take it off the registry.
Wrong.
Parts can be ordered through Gravel Agency, wait time is a little long but you will get them.
I had a custom match grade stainless barrel made in 300 Blackout for my ACR for $500 which is cheaper than an XCR conversion.
If you buy a used ACR for around $2000 you can have a barrel made for $500 then take it to a firearms verifier yourself and be non restricted for $2500-$2600 or you can send your used rifle to Ian at Herron Arms and he'll do all the work for $800-$900.
All metal? So what? Polymer is not a negative when it comes to firearms construction. Ever heard of HK or Glock?
The best thing about the XCR is Wolverine Supplies, other than that I haven't been impressed with any of the ones I've shot other than the good ergo's which are very similar to the ACR.
Change the grip? Why? Nothing wrong with the grip on the ACR. Sure it would be nice but it's just an MOE grip which many people buy and put on their AR's and XCR's anyway.
I've spent a couple afternoons with a couple MH rifles and I wouldn't spend the money on one now. They have issues that still need to be worked out. Both rifles wouldn't feed soft point ammo reliably which is kinda important on a rifle labled as a hunter. They did feed polymer tip and FMJ reliably though. Both rifles had issues with primer flow into the firing pin hole and one was piercing primers regularly and that was after it had been back to ATRS for a recall. They also won't feed from gen 3 pmags which is pretty crappy since gen 2 308 pmags are pretty hard to find these days. The side charging handle also doesn't lock forward securely and the charge handle floats around during shooting which leaves it somewhere in the middle most times after last shot lock back. I've messaged Rick about this and hopefully future rifles will be corrected.
The MH is a beautiful rifle but it isn't perfect and definitely should have gone through more testing before being released to the public.
I think he was referring to AR-10
You should remove the Swiss Arms from your one moa group unless you specify which model you had. I know it wasn't a black special or classic green you had/have, for the price of your Swiss Arms it had better shoot well. The classic green target (flat top) model I had was not a 1 moa rifle. It was a beautifully built rifle with an incredibly smooth and reliable action but it was not a one moa rifle. I do wish I had tried some handloads in it though before selling it. My biggest complaint with it was the 5 moa shift when going from bipod to supporting it just in front of the magazine. If it wasn't for that I would probably still own it.
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I had every available model of the swiss arms in green. The sniper was under .5 MOA with premium ammo and the rifle ships with a test target which was well under 1MOA which is easy to improve upon with better ammo.
I didn't spend much time shooting the other models but just like the XCR, many on here have claimed sub MOA.
The sniper price is high because of rarity, they did not originally sell for the prices they were commanding just a few years later.
The sniper model was the one that first made me drool to have a Swiss Arms rifle. I wasn't willing to pay $9000 for one so figured a clasic green target would probably be good enough. It was close but was lacking in the consistent accuracy department. I'm sure it would have shot better with quality ammo but I could have lived with the group size but not the huge shift when changing support positions.
I got lucky and made a trade for it a few months before the news of it's reclassification.
Of all the rifles I've owned and/or shot I still think the ACR is the best option we have right now for an all around do anything once you make it non restricted. That being said, if the AR was non restricted I'm not sure that I would own anything other than a couple AR's in different calibers, hell I already own 3 lowers and 4 uppers and just a few months ago I had 6 of them but have done some trades and sales to thin the heard a little.
If you can live with a little less accuracy and want something a little lighter then the AR-180B is an amazing rifle for the money.
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Valmet m78 is better than all 3
