FFS... another 1911 dilemma

which 1911 to buy..

  • Norc because it forged and yr #### won`t fall off

    Votes: 27 18.6%
  • sam because it works and less crude, so they say

    Votes: 13 9.0%
  • remington, because it`s USA, kinda got history

    Votes: 10 6.9%
  • Ruger because it better than others, so they say

    Votes: 39 26.9%
  • Spartan because it`s the best bastard child of Asia and USA

    Votes: 26 17.9%
  • Sig for all the cheap haters, and great qc

    Votes: 30 20.7%

  • Total voters
    145
Yes I own a NP-29...and have shot 1911's for close to 30yrs...Good on you if you love your Norc...Norc and QC do not go together...I tried to tune mine(NP-29)...It's like trying to make a race car out of a studebaker...

If your on a tight budget buy a norinco, or just want to go out every now and then to shoot off some ammo....They will never be a top notch gun...they were never intended to be...
 
Or maybe it's because Norinco's QC surpassess Remington and Ruger's, to name a few.

To all you Norc haters: "Have you shot one, lately?"(if ever)

Oh yeah, Norinco's winning the poll!:p

This is a great gun for the price but dont even compare it to a ruger sr1911. You lost me there
 
Lots of other widely available affordable choices are out there you don't list?

What about S&W 1911, Auto-Ordnance, Regent, used Colt series 80, GI mixmasters, etc. etc. etc.

I voted SAM because unless you are a connoisseur, you likely won't appreciate a better 1911. I shied from the norc on philosophical reasons. Although a good buy, I no longer buy Chinese anything if I can find a viable alternative within 25% +/- of the price.
 
Armco tuned norc is great. Two bullets in the same hole the other day at the range (18.5m/20yards). No experience with the others, but I like the look of the Ruger SR1911. I find you can hear the difference in quality. If you take a Spartan, a Norinco and high end 1911 and rack the slide you can hear the difference in the forged and cast metals. Ed Browns sound sweet.

Good luck with you choice.
 
On the cast vs. forged thing.

Forged is better, right? Well, sort of. If both guns are machined identically, the forged gun will hold up longer, will be less likely to crack anywhere, and will resist deformation slightly better.

Now though, there are lots of hybrid options. A number of manufacturers have gone to forged slides on cast receivers. Why? Well, because cast 1911 frames and slides are FAR cheaper and the lower really only serves as a holder for the magazine and fire control parts and provides a rail to keep the slide more or less aligned with your grip stance. Accuracy in a 1911 is a function of fit between barrel and bushing, barrel and slide recoil lugs, barrel and breech face, and to a much less extent, barrel feet to bolt stop pin. This last one is not something you should concern yourself about unless buying a $2000+ 1911 with a custom fitted barrel. Production guns, typically, are not well fit at the barrel feet and tend to ride the link. Not a problem for all but the most competitive shooters and very-high round count guys.

Another option is machiend from bar stock. Better than cast, but not quite as strong as forged. Kahr Arms 1911's, for example, have a machined from bar stock slide assembly on a cast frame.

In the end though, most shooters would be just fine with a fully cast 1911 like the SAM or RIA. If you want to spend more than these cost, make sure it's for features you actually need and will actually use or benefit from. If not, you are just paying to keep up with the Jonses.
 
I went through this a few months back... Bought the Ruger first then bought a Norinco +1000 rounds of ammo. I'm not an expert and am fairly new to pistols;but, after handing and shooting both, I prefer the Ruger.
 
what do you plan on doing with it? plinking idpa/ipsc? do you want to avoid replacing parts? do you want to take it to the US? What caliber do you want? The Norc can't go to the south. The Sam is a better buy over the norc IMO since I can bring it to the US and the fit/finish is better than how my Norc arrived. Last I checked the Remington and Ruger are only 45's. SIG, not a fan of their extractor as I can't use an AFTEC in it. My vote is the Spartan. ITs not a true made in Texas STI, but it does have STI controls. Higher Beaver tail then the others, a STI polymer Trigger and availiable in multiple calibers
 
On the cast vs. forged thing.

Forged is better, right? Well, sort of. If both guns are machined identically, the forged gun will hold up longer, will be less likely to crack anywhere, and will resist deformation slightly better.

Now though, there are lots of hybrid options. A number of manufacturers have gone to forged slides on cast receivers. Why? Well, because cast 1911 frames and slides are FAR cheaper and the lower really only serves as a holder for the magazine and fire control parts and provides a rail to keep the slide more or less aligned with your grip stance. Accuracy in a 1911 is a function of fit between barrel and bushing, barrel and slide recoil lugs, barrel and breech face, and to a much less extent, barrel feet to bolt stop pin. This last one is not something you should concern yourself about unless buying a $2000+ 1911 with a custom fitted barrel. Production guns, typically, are not well fit at the barrel feet and tend to ride the link. Not a problem for all but the most competitive shooters and very-high round count guys.

Another option is machiend from bar stock. Better than cast, but not quite as strong as forged. Kahr Arms 1911's, for example, have a machined from bar stock slide assembly on a cast frame.

In the end though, most shooters would be just fine with a fully cast 1911 like the SAM or RIA. If you want to spend more than these cost, make sure it's for features you actually need and will actually use or benefit from. If not, you are just paying to keep up with the Jonses.

good info, thanks
 
Really you don't have much for choices.....

The 2 at the bottom (price wise) will both need a 'tune up' to run right, or you may get lucky and get one that feeds and extracts just fine out of the box.....

R1 has a Schwartz safety, so it's a non-starter.

Sig is over priced IMHO. But if that's what ya want........

That leaves the Ruger, which incidentally I voted for.

I've owned all on your list except the Sig plus quite a few others. IMHO the Ruger is the best bang for your buck "outta the box". Followed by the Nork if it is coming from a reputable smith who has worked it over before hand.

I own 9 1911s, 4 are norks.......
 
This is a great gun for the price but dont even compare it to a ruger sr1911. You lost me there

Norinco is consistant with their quality, and it keeps getting better. Remons are far and few between with these Chinese produced guns.
Rugers, on the other hand, seems to have many more people complaining about the shakes and rattles.
 
Really you don't have much for choices.....

The 2 at the bottom (price wise) will both need a 'tune up' to run right, or you may get lucky and get one that feeds and extracts just fine out of the box.....

R1 has a Schwartz safety, so it's a non-starter.

Sig is over priced IMHO. But if that's what ya want........

That leaves the Ruger, which incidentally I voted for.

I've owned all on your list except the Sig plus quite a few others. IMHO the Ruger is the best bang for your buck "outta the box". Followed by the Nork if it is coming from a reputable smith who has worked it over before hand.

I own 9 1911s, 4 are norks.......

I`m open to other 1911`s also this was just list of price wise of popular guns on here that each went up hundred or so from bottom to top. Do you have any recommendations other than the ruger or norc?
 
i've got a colt , sti , para , & norc , they all needed to be worked on to get tight groups . so i'd say the norc , keep the frame & slide , throw the rest out & build custom .
 
I`m open to other 1911`s also this was just list of price wise of popular guns on here that each went up hundred or so from bottom to top. Do you have any recommendations other than the ruger or norc?

Buy a Nork if ya want to tinker.

Buy the ruger if you don't.

But from what I've been reading lately on forums, the Ruger you should only buy if you can look it over first. That same statement also goes for Kimber, Smith & Wesson as well as Colt...

I made a bit of a mistake a few years back. My first 1911 style pistol was a llama. Should have been called Lemon. My second was a Colt. It left a bad feeling for me to the platform.

Then one day I picked up an Armco tuned Nork 1911a1. It is now by far my favorite pistol platform! The Armco tuned Nork is what I judge all 1911s against.....

YMMV.
 
Voted Sig as I'm thinking I'll go there next... recently acquired the Ruger, seems plenty fine to me (first 1911 so my opinion shouldn't carry much weight), don't seem to have the issues I've been reading about lately, but the trigger does have a bit of up and down travel.
 
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