FINALLY Mossberg 715T/P magazine capacity decision...!!!

Be thankful that they ruled the mags are restricted only to ten rounds. Go back and read the law on capacities for handguns that are NOT "commonly available in Canada" (hint: it's a lot less than ten rounds).

...but doesn't apply to rimfire.

Any magazine which was designed, manufactured and sold before the pistol was put on market is still perfectly legal as it couldn't have been "designed or manufactured" for a firearm that didn't exist at the time.
 
Wow this is killing me, so a mag that came with the rifle is prohib? Ive had mine since they made them, what are we supposed to do with them? Sorry if im d:h: but this is insane, I just dont understand how a pistol thats not being sold in Canada and it was produced 3 years after the rifle was, now the rifle mag is prohib WOW. What was Mossberg thinking when they decided to make the mags interchangeable? The pistol will look pretty stupid with an AR looking mag sticking out the bottom IMO
 
Hahahah. I would t have even bothered writing that letter. Stir the pot a little bit more. While your at it, why don't you write down everytime you speed and send that to the RCMP as well.
 
To myself, official is open and available to the public, not having to ask for it.

While I agree with you...and in a perfect world this would be the way it should happen, openly to the public.
Unfortunately, we don't live in that world.
As far as I'm concerned as a 715T owner I have received an answer to my question. They are in fact (for the time being) prohibited by the body that is in charge of such decisions.
I don't think "I'm waiting for the official ruling" would do a whole lot for my chances should I ever be charged with possession of a prohibited mag.
Crap, I think they just fell over the side of the boat.
 
So Mossberg has stated that none of the pistols have entered NA, and have ceased production, but the 25 round mag is still prohibited?
 
...but doesn't apply to rimfire.

Any magazine which was designed, manufactured and sold before the pistol was put on market is still perfectly legal as it couldn't have been "designed or manufactured" for a firearm that didn't exist at the time.

Almost identical to what I was told by the LEO's I was speaking with about this matter.
 
The 715T is a fun concept but the rifle jams all the time. I've been told it's the ammo - but, no - I suspect bad engineering overall. I have one, its a novelty, but I don't shoot it anymore. To frustrating. I did like the NR status though.
 
No, I understand what you're saying but a 30 round AR magazine is limited to five rounds because of the magazine restriction placed on almost all modern magazines with certain exceptions being the Lee Enfield, M1 Garand, etc. You'll have to excuse me if I am misquoting the Firearms Act, I apologize for this. Yes, pistol magazines must be limited to 10 rounds, but the same logic that is apparently prohibiting the 25 round 715T magazine, we should see the introduction of the 10 round pistol magazine for the VZ58.

The simple solution is for butler creek to swoop in and save the day like they did with the magazine issues that arose with the introduction of the Charger...that and the obvious elimination of the Firearms Act.

I love being a criminal because I purchased something legally.

I know ar mags are pinned to 5. That's what I'm saying. Bolt action rifles don't have a capicty limit. But ar mags do. So it doesn't matter if the ar mag says for the mossberg MVP only (a bolt action rifle that takes ar mags) It's still an ar mag. Same with the 715 mag. Doesn't matter if it says for 715t only. Its the same mag for the 715p so it must be pinned to 10. Same the the MVP, pinned to 5 because it's an ar mag even though bolt action rifles can have a 100 round mag if you wanted.
 
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And can the op email that guy back and ask if this magazine is prohibited even though none of the 715p's are in the country does that mean we can use the vz58 pistol mag even though non are in the country. Seems that rules only works in their favor.
 
And can the op email that guy back and ask if this magazine is prohibited even though none of the 715p's are in the country does that mean we can use the vz58 pistol mag even though non are in the country. Seems that rules only works in their favor.

Excellent point. Might as well try and score us a win instead of another loss.
 
...but doesn't apply to rimfire.
Read the law. Limitless rimfire capacities apply to rimfire RIFLES ONLY.

Any magazine which was designed, manufactured and sold before the pistol was put on market is still perfectly legal as it couldn't have been "designed or manufactured" for a firearm that didn't exist at the time.
Definitely logical. I would take Mr. Etter to task on that point.
 
Read the law. Limitless rimfire capacities apply to rimfire RIFLES ONLY.

Nope.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-2.html#h-4

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,​

(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or​

(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,​

(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;​

(b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,
(ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or
(iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;​

(c) is of the “drum” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm commonly known as
(i) the .303 in. Lewis Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Lewis Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Lewis SS and .30 in. Savage-Lewis,
(ii) the .303 in. Vickers Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Mark 4B, Mark 5, Mark 6, Mark 6* and Mark 7, or
(iii) the Bren Light machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 2/1, Mark 3 and Mark 4;​
(d) is of the “metallic-strip” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in conjunction with the firearm known as the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1895 or Model 1897, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1900, Model 1909, Model 1914 and Model 1917, and the Hotchkiss machine-gun (Enfield), Number 2, Mark 1 and Mark 1*;

(e) is of the “saddle-drum” type (doppeltrommel or satteltrommel), is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in the automatic firearms known as the MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200 or T6-220, or any variant or modified version of it; or

(f) is of the “belt” type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945.

(3) Paragraph (1)(b) does not include any cartridge magazine that

(a) is of the “snail-drum” type (schneckentrommel) that was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a handgun known as the Parabellum-Pistol, System Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, or “Luger”, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1902, Model 1904 (Marine), Model 1904/06 (Marine), Model 1904/08 (Marine), Model 1906, Model 1908 and Model 1908 (Artillery) pistols;

(b) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a semi-automatic handgun, where the magazine was manufactured before 1910;

(c) was originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the firearm known as the Mauser Selbstladepistole C/96 (“broomhandle”), or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1895, Model 1896, Model 1902, Model 1905, Model 1912, Model 1915, Model 1930, Model 1931, M711 and M712; or

(d) was originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic firearm that is a handgun known as the Webley and Scott Self-Loading Pistol, Model 1912 or Model 1915.

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
 
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