Firearms marking

If you are at the range, or hunting or driving with some commonly already imported firearm such as an SKS, and you are stopped by RCMP, dnr or whoever will you have to provide proof that you owned it before the date this foolishness comes into effect. Also, if you import a firearm that is determined to be too rare or valuable to deface, won't some form of paperwork and registration have to be tied to that firearm, to prove that it was exempt? Can see this being a bigger issue than just a minor inconvenience, but why should I be skeptical of something the selfie queen approves of..
 
Hmmmm, wondering what this will do for the firearm sales here in Canada. To my understanding, all firearms presently owned prior to June 2017 will not have to be marked. The firearms that WILL be marked will have a higher price tag due to the costs of marking. However, the pre-marked firearms will have a much higher demand as they will not be marked or defaced, and therefore will also have a higher resale value. I am planning on buying a few more before this nonsense starts, and then my gun purchasing will be over :(. Maybe this is the intention, as I cannot see how this nonsense can possibly prevent crime, the intention is clear to cripple the firearm industry.
 
15567 said:
This deliberate defacing of collectible firearms imported here will have a significant impact on value once marked. That is all this would accomplish, terribly stupid and unnecessary.
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If the markings will have a large impact on the value, the gun is exempt.

Why the hell didn't harper scrap this law, rather than postpone it over and over?? Seems like another example of how Harper screwed us...
 
FyreFighter said:
Get a grip.

JMBrowning's 1911 prototypes are not being marked. The value of a Gen4 Glock is not going to change a whole lot bc there's a CA17 on it somewhere, particularly if done nicely and not in electropencil by a guy with Parkinson's
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But it is useless, and fits with the Liberals incrementalist approach to deterring firearms ownership and use.
 
Suther said:
If the markings will have a large impact on the value, the gun is exempt.

Why the hell didn't harper scrap this law, rather than postpone it over and over?? Seems like another example of how Harper screwed us...
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And who exactly would make that determination and on whose basis?

Perhaps, the newly appointed firearms advisory committee? The rcmp?
 
Back to the original question, I hope whoever they put in charge of this knows something about firearms. If someone know knows nothing about firearms or doesn't "see the use in having them" gets put in charge, it would suck. Some goomba in an office getting a hold of the fabled "Korean Garands" sees them as wothless and electro-stencils them :rolleyes:
 
A questions remains is N Sylvas and other importers Now ready or will soon be ready ( Have the required equipment on site ) to engrave the " Required Visible Markings " Required UN markings , can or will they be allowed to farm out this process to a second party ? What kind of delays can we expect for our local gun stores to receive the new UN Marked fire arms , What will be the added cost to each fire arm ? Will there be an approval process / inspection of the Clearly Visible placement of these UN markings / depending on the type of fire arm ? Who will do the inspection and set the standard ? Is there a cost to this and will it also be passed along to the consumer .

Q: what happens if a batch is marked and found not to be Visible enough , will they be re marked ? , will the old imperfect marks be removed , ? who will pay for the refinishing after removal ? Will this reduce the value of the fire arm if this happens , or will it be Factory refinished and start all over with the UN markings process ??
 
What is the purpose of this marking? What is the argument for this? The serial numbers are already tracked for all the restricteds. What will they get out of this? It seems unnecessary. But if it doesn't increase the price I'm not sure what the big deal is.
 
Because the engraving will involve implanting tracking devices which can monitor your movements from the black helicopters circling overhead invisibly and silently.

FF
 
Here is the act itself, for your reading enjoyment....

ht tp://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2004-275/


Firearms Marking Regulations

SOR/2004-275

FIREARMS ACT

Registration 2004-11-29

Firearms Marking Regulations

P.C. 2004-1435 2004-11-29

Whereas, pursuant to section 118 of the Firearms ActFootnote a, the Solicitor General of Canada had the proposed Firearms Marking Regulations laid before each House of Parliament on June 13, 2003, which date is at least 30 sitting days before the date of this Order;

Return to footnote aS.C. 1995, c. 39

And whereas subsection 119(1) of the Firearms Acta provides that no proposed regulation that has been laid pursuant to section 118 of that Act need again be laid, whether or not it has been altered;

Therefore, Her Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Solicitor General of Canada, pursuant to section 117Footnote b of the Firearms Acta, hereby makes the annexed Firearms Marking Regulations.

Return to footnote bS.C. 2003, c. 8, s. 54

Interpretation
The following provision is not in force.

1 (1) The following definitions apply in these Regulations.

Act means the Firearms Act. (Loi)

specially imported firearm means a firearm imported on a temporary basis by a business that holds a firearms licence, as a good under tariff item No. 9993.00.00 of the List of Tariff Provisions set out in the schedule to the Customs Tariff. (arme à feu d’importation spéciale)

(2) In these Regulations, agency firearm, protected firearm, public agent and public service agency have the same meaning as in section 1 of the Public Agents Firearms Regulations.

(3) For greater certainty, in these Regulations, transfer means transfer as defined in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.

Marking of Manufactured Firearms
The following provision is not in force.

2 Every individual or business that manufactures a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked, at the time of manufacture, in accordance with section 4.
Marking of Imported Firearms
The following provision is not in force.

3 (1) Every individual, business or public service agency that imports a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked in accordance with section 4 before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to

(a) a firearm imported by an individual under section 35 or 35.1 of the Act;

(b) a specially imported firearm;

(c) a protected firearm;

(d) a firearm that was initially exported from Canada by an individual or business if the individual or business retained ownership of the firearm while the firearm was outside Canada; or

(e) a firearm that was initially exported from Canada by a public service agency and that was retained by that agency as an agency firearm while the firearm was outside Canada.

Manner of Marking
The following provision is not in force.

4 (1) The firearm shall be marked by permanently stamping or engraving on the firearms’s frame or receiver the word “Canada” or the letters “CA” and

(a) in the case of a manufactured firearm, the name of the manufacturer and the firearm’s serial number; and

(b) in the case of an imported firearm, the last two digits of the year of the importation.

(2) The markings shall

(a) be legible;

(b) have a depth of at least 0.076 mm and a height of at least 1.58 mm; and

(c) subject to subsection (3), be visible without the need to disassemble the firearm.

(3) In the case of an imported firearm, the Registrar, on application by the individual, business or public service agency that is importing it, shall grant the applicant an exemption from the requirement set out in paragraph (2)(c) if

(a) marking the firearm in a place that is visible only by disassembling the firearm is consistent with the current practices of the manufacturer of that model of firearm;

(b) the firearm does not provide a visible space suitable to stamp or engrave the markings;

(c) the firearm is rare;

(d) the firearm is of a value that is unusually high for that type of firearm and that value would be significantly reduced if the markings were visible without disassembly; or

(e) the firearm is imported by a business that holds a licence for the purpose of using the firearm in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical productions or in publishing activities.

Tampering with Markings
The following provision is not in force.

5 (1) No person shall knowingly remove, alter, obliterate or deface a marking on a firearm.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a public agent acting in the course of their duties or for the purposes of their employment.

Coming into Force

6 These Regulations come into force on June 1, 2017.

SOR/2005-242, s. 1; SOR/2007-266, s. 1; SOR/2009-313, s. 1; SOR/2010-276, s. 1; SOR/2012-251, s. 1; SOR/2013-203, s. 1; SOR/2015-195, s. 1.

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Ultimately, CBSA is the agency responsible for determining everything. They may defer to the RCMP-CFP's advice/recommendations (as they do for blocking 50 Beo mag imports) but CBSA is the one who decides if the gun is exempt.

So your very rare M&P9 ("but it's FDE!!") will get stamped while your 1800's era lever gun likely won't.

FF
 
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