Firearms marking

r34skyline said:
What is the purpose of this marking? What is the argument for this? The serial numbers are already tracked for all the restricteds. What will they get out of this? It seems unnecessary. But if it doesn't increase the price I'm not sure what the big deal is.
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It's simply to deter people from becoming interested in the shooting sports and to frustrate those already in it, to just give up on the whole idea. They won't have to do outright bans or confiscations, just badger us to death.
 
The reality of it is anything being made or imported already has a serial number.

If it is non-restricted, do you have to inform some registry that you sold it and to who? If not....meh. just more numbers.
 
When gangbanger pistols show up on Toronto streets marked US17 then that will confirm they were smuggled in. Of course that won't happen since all the numbers will be ground off anyways. Typical libtards think yet another number will stop trafficking or crime.
 
The point of the firearms marking is to track the international flow of firearms. It's in case they're being moved from the legal market to the black market, and exported to conflict zones or non-state actors of concern like terrorists, criminals, etc.

I don't think it's going to be very effective because, frankly, the producers and exporters of weapons in high demand in conflict are probably not going to be stamping anything on their guns, much less the import country and year.
 
finstr said:
When gangbanger pistols show up on Toronto streets marked US17 then that will confirm they were smuggled in. Of course that won't happen since all the numbers will be ground off anyways. Typical libtards think yet another number will stop trafficking or crime.
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The US will not be marking guns. As I understand it, they need to be marked upon import. This means the manufacture cant mark them. They will be done at a canadian facility that does not exist at this time. The markings will need to be deep enough that they will penatrate any corrosion protection coatings. This means every gun will need to be re-blued, parkerized, cerakoated etc.

If this isn't dealt with and scrapped, we wont see any imports for a long while.
 
Jester84 said:
Do they need to be marked before or can they be marked after entry to Canada?
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The regulation says they must be marked maximum 60 days after entering the country. So they can be marked at the factory or the importer can mark them.

The real question is how the CBSA can possibly enforce anything after it has left the CBSA? Since firerarms imported before june 1st 2017 don't have to be marked, it means no one can really tell which firearms should be marked. They're gonna have to explain how they're gonna enforce that, cause I just don't see it, and I don't think anybody sees any practical way of enforcing that.
 
trebor2880 said:
It's simply to deter people from becoming interested in the shooting sports and to frustrate those already in it, to just give up on the whole idea. They won't have to do outright bans or confiscations, just badger us to death.
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How though? It is annoying but i don't see how it deters new shooters. Especially with however many used firearms out there with no markings. My concern is how much will this affect pricing.
 
VinnyQC said:
The regulation says they must be marked maximum 60 days after entering the country. So they can be marked at the factory or the importer can mark them.

The real question is how the CBSA can possibly enforce anything after it has left the CBSA? Since firerarms imported before june 1st 2017 don't have to be marked, it means no one can really tell which firearms should be marked. They're gonna have to explain how they're gonna enforce that, cause I just don't see it, and I don't think anybody sees any practical way of enforcing that.
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I think the CSSA reported that it must be an import marking which means they can only be marked after entering Canada. Manufacturers cant mark them then send them to Canada. The idea is that If they were marked before entering canada they could still go somewhere other than Canada. If they are marked in Canada then they must have actually arrived in Canada first then got marked. I think this could be much worse than people realize. The Airgun source has said it applies to air guns also. They can crack down on importers to the point where importers dont want to import anymore.
 
OP, the answer to your question lies in the very regulations you are citing.

(3) In the case of an imported firearm, the Registrar, on application by the individual, business or public service agency that is importing it, shall grant the applicant an exemption from the requirement set out in paragraph (2)(c) if
(a) marking the firearm in a place that is visible only by disassembling the firearm is consistent with the current practices of the manufacturer of that model of firearm;
(b) the firearm does not provide a visible space suitable to stamp or engrave the markings;
(c) the firearm is rare;
(d) the firearm is of a value that is unusually high for that type of firearm and that value would be significantly reduced if the markings were visible without disassembly; or
(e) the firearm is imported by a business that holds a licence for the purpose of using the firearm in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical productions or in publishing activities.
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Application goes to the registrar. Registrar approves or denies. There is no formal mechanism of review in the firearms act, but any decision of a government official is reviewable by a judge. The process for doing so varies by jurisdiction.


FyreFighter said:
Explain this to me like I am 5: whats the big deal about putting a stamp on imported guns? Slight inconvenience and thus cost for the N Sylvas and other importers.
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An inconvenience and cost that will passed onto either A) people who tattoo pictures of guns onto their bodies, or B) people who purchase firearms.
 
r34skyline said:
How though? It is annoying but i don't see how it deters new shooters. Especially with however many used firearms out there with no markings. My concern is how much will this affect pricing.
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Possibly as much as 200$ premium per firearm. When you look at entry level rim fire firearms, that's any where from a 50-100% increase in the cost of firearm. Cost is already a significant barrier to entry to the shooting sports.

One question I wonder if anyone has asked. With over 500,000 firearms getting imported annually, estimated, and say it takes 30 short minutes to mark a gun and refinish the surface, it would take nothing short of 125 full time firearms markers to mark all the firearms being imported. Cost is one thing, the delay is something else.
 
What about the end user certificate ? The buyer is the end user so the Canadian long gun registry is back and there is a UN registry of our guns also . Trudeau already set the money aside in the budget .
 
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