First AR

Did you ever carry a C9 ? C6 ? At that height, sorry I don't buy it.

Also you are comparing HK barrels to PWS. Are you selling PWS? I'm not a dealer but PWS is not comparable to HK, sorry I just don't believe it.

No. I was done carrying the L7 (your C6) in the late 80's. My gunner carried an L110 (you don't even have a version in Canada as far as I know) until my last run as military in 2007. The highest I ever carried my L119 was at something stupid like 16,560ft. And since you bring it up, have you even carried a Gimpy or LMG at all?

I'm not a salesman for PWS. I've just used their kit. I disclosed my experience with both systems, so, please, let me know how much experience you have with the same kit and quit trying to change the topic. Stay focused.

-S.
 
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i think youre really heading in the wrong direction with that ruger, but thats just my opinion.

a short barreled 10 inch pws would really fit the bill for her. women like short barrels, keeps the weight back and not at the end of their arms, its a major complaint from my wife in all my rifles except my tavor.

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24_393&products_id=1635

they are out of stock so not sure where you could get one, but its one serious rifle, that will last her a very long time.

I would also look into a Daniel Defense Mk18 Mod1 or something similar. Despite having tons of quad rail real estate they are quite handy and light in their base configuration. But seriously, if weight is an issue, stay away from the Ruger piston gun.

-S.
 
Yes I have carried the C9/LMG and the pig before and it's all relative to capability. I don't know you and you don't know me and I don't think arguing from the point about you using your personal experience with PWS compares to reparably factual sources. Especially from some company(PWS) that followed HK"s piston AR after the fact by jumping on the piston system wagon.

Bottom line is I stick to the major manufactures now and don't jump on these small companies that cashed in on the AR frenzy.
Colt, HK, FN, KAC. To name a few. The weight difference on HK guns to other DI is negligible in most cases.
 
To be clear I do not need the "best" AR. I have lots of firearms already but am just looking to get into the AR game and I want something that is capable of being modded if I chose to upgrade it. I am looking to keep costs down as some run up to the $2k line and thats too much for a just in case firearm as I have lots of other rifles. I did not mean to start a pissing contest. Please focus on my questions so I am able to make a decision. Your input is appreciated needless to say but I am not looking to get into active AR fun and games.
 
Yes I have carried the C9/LMG and the pig before and it's all relative to capability. I don't know you and you don't know me and I don't think arguing from the point about you using your personal experience with PWS compares to reparably factual sources. Especially from some company(PWS) that followed HK"s piston AR after the fact by jumping on the piston system wagon.

Bottom line is I stick to the major manufactures now and don't jump on these small companies that cashed in on the AR frenzy.
Colt, HK, FN, KAC. To name a few. The weight difference on HK guns to other DI is negligible in most cases.

PWS uses a long stroke piston system and they freely admit that they stole their idea... from the AKM. HK uses a short stroke system with a hammer pin, kinda similar to the AR180.

Good luck. I'm not gonna thread jack this anymore, you want to learn, then come see me, you wanna argue, I'm done.

-S.
 
OP, you want a piston unit, I'd seriously consider a Ruger SR223 (the AR223 is the DI version), but they are not cheap and they are front-heavy compared to a DI AR.

I'm not aware of any piston conversion kits except the one from (IIRC) CMMG, and I don't know about Canadian availability. I also don't think you'd save a lot of money by building your own lower and piston driven upper, but I could be wrong. Yes, piston driven AR's tend to stay cleaner in the receiver area than the DI guns, but that's easily taken care of by using lots of lube on the bolt and bolt carrier and cleaning it when you're done shooting.

The other disadvantage of the piston-driven guns is weight. While the system doesn't really weigh that much, it does add the weight in a bad spot-toward the front of the rifle. That may be an issue for your wife, as a front-heavy(ier) rifle is harder to shoot accurately for most.

That said, building your own allows you to do what you please as far as triggers, optics, etc. etc.

My 3-gun/Service Rifle AR is just a plain jane inexpensive 14.5" bbl Norinco CQ-A with two mods, an ALG Defense trigger and a VISM 1-4x scope on a Burris PEPR mount. Total cost of that rifle (not including magazines of course) is about $1000 - the rifle itself was $650, the trigger another $80 (call it $100) and the scope and mount together were $250 (display model pricing). It's also fairly light, in the 8.5 lb range. If I wanted it lighter, about the only things I could do would be to replace the M4-pattern barrel with a pencil-style barrel, remove the scope/mount, and use a folding backup sight (not the carry handle sight).

AR-pattern rifles are restricted by name in the law (Gawd only knows why as they are awesome varmint guns) and that isn't likely to change anytime soon. I guess it's because they look "scary" in the eyes of the gun-hating bureaucrats and politicians.

For you and your wife's just-in-case AR, I'd recommend a 10-14.5" barrel DI rifle with a light barrel and flat-top upper. You could also use a railed gas block for folding sights to keep the weight down yet keep the ability to add an optic if desired. Just my humble opinion and YMMV. Good luck with your search and welcome to the AR club!!!!
 
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For a starter, inexpensive, good quality AR take a look at Stag (lifetime warranty), S&W or SIG line of products. Next step up (in quality and price) will take you into Colt, DD, FN territory. Again, use your common sense and try to keep the "upgrades" to minimum. Somebody makes all this stuff and many believe they "need" to buy all these accessories right away because a dude on the internet says so even though that dude is usually sponsored by the company that makes all these toys. Buy the carbine, use it for a year in plain configuration and see if you like it or not. It's actually perfectly serviceable without tons of upgrades. Use the money that you'll save that way to purchase the ammo instead. Enjoy!
 
@OP:

I would say that the best accessories to buy for a new AR would be an optic, sling and perhaps a butt stock if the one on the rifle doesn't do it for you. Like Nestor said, keep from going nuts, just because you have the rail space doesn't mean you have to fill it.

Other than that and if it is an "in case" rifle, get some carbine courses from a reputable instructor under your belt.

As you are intent upon building the lower, Daniel Defense has a whole slew of uppers available, including some lighter and/or shorter barrel offerings that will sit well with your wife.

-S.
 
@OP:

I would say that the best accessories to buy for a new AR would be an optic, sling and perhaps a butt stock if the one on the rifle doesn't do it for you. Like Nestor said, keep from going nuts, just because you have the rail space doesn't mean you have to fill it.

Other than that and if it is an "in case" rifle, get some carbine courses from a reputable instructor under your belt.

As you are intent upon building the lower, Daniel Defense has a whole slew of uppers available, including some lighter and/or shorter barrel offerings that will sit well with your wife.

-S.

This I would agree with you on and is fair advice!
 
Op....I`m no expert. So I can`t tell you technically what rifle is better or what.........But I do own a 10.5" PWS AR. And......Wow! I love it!

Also.......My back isn`t great so heavy rifles (especially front heavy rifles) are somewhat of a problem for me. I end up having to shoot from a bipod. The PWS is by far the easiest / most fun rifle I have shot. Very light. No bipod required to be accurate. Just really fun.

I would definitely recommend......your wife would enjoy it.

I`m sure there are other great rifles.....just wanted to share my 2 cents on the PWS.

Graveman
 
The weight comparisons are negligible to any male the age over 18 years and in decent physical shape.

The first 2 words of the original post are "MY WIFE" which would seem to imply that his wife might have to use the gun??? Again, as a Ruger SR556 owner, I'd say there are better choices - including Ruger's own DI gun.
 
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listen guys he needs a light short piston ar for his wife, I really dont get why some suggestions are these long barrel heavy rifles like the ruger sr223.
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Short light piston AR.

PWS, 10.5, 12, or 14.5 "

They balance very well and are lighter than short stroke piston guns. I found the Ruger to be even more tip heavy than the LMT piston gun.

It's good to hear from people who used PWS "for real". Thanks for the information Maple leaf Pilgrim.
 
Its looking like I am going to build the AR. What I would like to know is which type of receiver (upper and lower) makes more sense. I see "billet" and "7046" and polymer all mentioned.
Also for barrels. Who has a good selection at reasonable price? Seems an M4 is a good choice. I see Wolverine has a DPMS lower kit and that would be nice but how about the US guys? I see Dlask and Irunguns mentioned a lot and they have quite a selection. I know these are restricted so what part of the AR is restricted when you are doing a buy? I have been watching Youtube vids and am getting a sense of what I want. Not so stuck on the pushrod but that would be nice. If there was a good deal then I would easily go with DI. Too bad the Wolverine ad is 2yrs old. I would gladly have paid $300ea for an upper and lower. This will be used by both of us not just my wife. We are not getting 2 ARs guys. I am digging the MOE in dark earth. Gets away from the "black death machine" feel too. I am reading this and paying attention so thanks to all of you especially matteblack. Most helpful. This might be a really cool fun build. Like a 1022 on steroids with attitude. Keep it coming. Im soaking it up.
 
Only the lower receiver is an actual firearm. Go standard, forged for your first build. Freedom Ventures has the combo (upper and lower) for $269 or so. M4 profile makes little sense for any, civilian application. Think about it as a light barrel with bunch of useless cuts and attachments on it. Do you really need that grenade launcher cut? Well, there you go. If there is one part, that you shouldn't save your money on, it would be the barrel. Buy the best you can afford. Furniture is easy to switch over and Magpul makes a quality stuff.
 
Its looking like I am going to build the AR. What I would like to know is which type of receiver (upper and lower) makes more sense. I see "billet" and "7046" and polymer all mentioned.
Also for barrels. Who has a good selection at reasonable price? Seems an M4 is a good choice. I see Wolverine has a DPMS lower kit and that would be nice but how about the US guys? I see Dlask and Irunguns mentioned a lot and they have quite a selection. I know these are restricted so what part of the AR is restricted when you are doing a buy? I have been watching Youtube vids and am getting a sense of what I want. Not so stuck on the pushrod but that would be nice. If there was a good deal then I would easily go with DI. Too bad the Wolverine ad is 2yrs old. I would gladly have paid $300ea for an upper and lower. This will be used by both of us not just my wife. We are not getting 2 ARs guys. I am digging the MOE in dark earth. Gets away from the "black death machine" feel too. I am reading this and paying attention so thanks to all of you especially matteblack. Most helpful. This might be a really cool fun build. Like a 1022 on steroids with attitude. Keep it coming. Im soaking it up.

As far as lowers go, which is the restricted part, you will be served just fine by the 6061 or 7075 aluminium lowers. Forged or milled from a billet will do just fine for the rifle. If you have dogs, don't get polymer. Dogs like polymer, its chewy.

For barrels, see if you can get a Daniel Defense or PWS barrel. The DD barrel is a chrome lined cold hammer forged and the PWS is an Isonite stainless, both provide incredible durability and great accuracy. Make sure that whatever you buy, get a 1:7 or a 1:8 twist barrel, that'll handle the most effective range of round weights out there (80-ish down to 50-ish). I run 5.56 NATO 55gr, 62gr, 75gr and 77gr through my ARs without any variance in accuracy, although the POI drops with each increase.

When it comes to the grips and butt stocks etc, you can get them all in a wide variety of colours and styles. Magpul is not the only company making this stuff, so keep an eye out. As far as breaking up the silhouette of the rifle, beauty is a can of krylon away.

You'll want to think about sights for the rifle as well, since weight is a consideration, you'll want to look at the lighter side of optics such as Aimpoint($$$$) and maybe Vortex($$) and Holosun($$). I used Aimpoint T1s professionally and found them to be quite good. I dropped a battery in at the beginning and it didn't need changed out until two years later from what I was told (all the environmental changes did play hell on the battery, up and down the mountains, hot and cold climates, in and out of humid places etc.) but the sight remained on for the entire time. Be sure to get a decent set of Back Up Iron Sights for the rifle as well. Since there will be two of you using it I recommend that you get a parallax free optic and use a true co-witness for the optic and BUIS. Now many people go out and buy a real disco rifle and then throw the cheapest sights they can get away with on the rifle, this is a disservice. Every trigger puller I know spends as much time considering their sights as they do the rifle they're putting them on.

If you're going to do any courses with the rifle, be sure to get a good sling as well. There are many options out there right now, among my favs are the SKD PIG sling MkII and the Savvy Sniper QD Adjustable Single/Double Point.

Of course there is something else to consider. Often overlooked but always necessary, magazines. For these I would recommend P-mags. Gen II or III it doesn't matter, both are great. I remember when we were being issued those bloody heavy HK AR mags, those things worked well, but were almost as heavy empty as a loaded P-mag and the P-mags handled so much more abuse.

-S.
 
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I came across a deal that was too hard to pass up. Black Forge Tier 3 stripped down AR with M4 chrome lined barrel 16in 223/5.56 with 7075 upper and lower flat top receivers, and the BCG is LE rated. The furniture is pretty basic but I will look at that when I get it. All told from Frontier (they actually had stock) it was $897 shipped with a Magpul mag and the gunsmiths wrench as well. At least it has been proof tested at a factory so looks to be an excellent starter and likely from my shopping list saved me some serious coin if I were doing it myself. Any better options can be added later should that be necessary. I think I will put flip up sights for now as they would be a necessary backup anyways and worry about the higher end optics later on as cash becomes available. My build was looking about $1200 all told so there will be cash for future fun no problem. Thanks for all your suggestions. I will explore a lot of that in the near future. Damn I love this site. Where else can you go where guns are fun????? FWIW Im not too concerned about accuracy as I have a CZ27 223 for my sniper rifle as well as a Browning Xbolt that will do 3 bullets touching at 200m with my loads. I think Im covered in the SHTF scenario. My sweetie has a prepper streak so this is all wifey approved. I am a LUCKY guy.
 
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