First Glock!

Appreciate all the tips, guys. Can't wait to try my new Glock! Transfer initiated on Monday August 14th. Hoping it goes through as quick as the latest ones!
 
Kidd X said:
Try and keep up here..

A 9mm pistol is best for its intended role as a service or defensive firearm. If you need to shoot multiple shots and do so in a limited amount of time then yes the 9mm is a superior choice due to low recoil and high capacity(in a free country). If you're talking about slow fire shooting for groups then it makes no difference what calibre you use as the fundamentals of sight alignment trigger press and follow through are all the same.
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We'l forget for a second that there's not a human being on the planet who doesn't shoot one gun better than all others. We'll also forget that 17 isn't vastly more than 15 when talking about capacity. Hell, we'll even pretend that higher capacity isn't a way to hide shooting deficiencies. But do you really not realize that selecting a caliber based on recoil characteristics rather than ballistics is a crutch to hide improper shooting technique, right?
 
Kidd X said:
Tell me how many top level competitive shooters haven't mastered the fundamentals??? For the slow ones in the crowd the answer is zero. If you struggle with the fundamentals because you rely on mechanical crutches like triggers then how do you expect to improve? If you have a 10 MOA flinch then it makes no difference what you bolt to your gun, you simply can't shoot. The top competitors are TRYING to get an advantage in any way possible. The gimmicks are still there, comps, mag well funnels, weighted magazines, triggers, etc are simply mechanical crutches used in hopes of somehow improving ones performance. Yes you will likely shoot better groups with a short and light single action trigger on a 1911 style gun, but your fundamentals still suck if you can't carry that performance over to any other pistol.



Try and keep up here..

A 9mm pistol is best for its intended role as a service or defensive firearm. If you need to shoot multiple shots and do so in a limited amount of time then yes the 9mm is a superior choice due to low recoil and high capacity(in a free country). If you're talking about slow fire shooting for groups then it makes no difference what calibre you use as the fundamentals of sight alignment trigger press and follow through are all the same.

Again, I have no doubt a novice shooter with a tricked out gun will produce better groups than with a stock gun, but that is only because the tricked out gun covers/compensates for their poor form(gimmicks). The shooter's performance will quickly plateau as the gun can only do so much to cover/compensate for poor form. I haven't met a 1911 shooter yet that can work a DA/SA or DAO gun worth a hill of beans. The excuse of many about shooting X gun better than Y gun is nothing more than an admission that they simply can't apply the fundamentals.... They can't shoot.

Run all the gimmicks you want but understand that the "great" performance you're seeing is short lived and will never improve. The shooter makes the shot not the gun.. Stop chasing stupid gimmicks to bolt to your gun and seek training and range time.
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I'll ask this again, what makes you an expert on defensive handgun use? What state do you carry a defensive handgun?

I can't tell if your a troll, or you seriously believe the crap your spitting to be beneficial.
 
rkm456 said:
We'l forget for a second that there's not a human being on the planet who doesn't shoot one gun better than all others. We'll also forget that 17 isn't vastly more than 15 when talking about capacity. Hell, we'll even pretend that higher capacity isn't a way to hide shooting deficiencies. But do you really not realize that selecting a caliber based on recoil characteristics rather than ballistics is a crutch to hide improper shooting technique, right?
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Do you not understand that more recoil means more effort required to bring the sights back to the target? Proper recoil management doesn't eliminate recoil it MANAGES it. Less recoil means faster follow up shots.

Do you understand that fewer rounds means you can't press the fight as long as others? Higher capacity isn't a crutch, it's a tactical advantage. Same reason we use belt fed machine guns. Have you forgotten that on average a threat requires 3 rounds to neutralize which means a Glock 17 topped off in theory is capable of dealing with 6 threats(provided no misses) whereas a standard 15 round capacity pistol is capable of 5, or a 12 round pistol at 4, or a 9 round pistol at 3. If you had a revolver you're really up the creek at 2. Factor in misses and your capability is greatly reduced.

Can you show me anywhere in history where an armed citizen or LEO or soldier wished they had fewer rounds with them during a gunfight??

Here's a true story of where capacity saved an officers life.
http://lawofficer.com/archive/officer-down-the-peter-soulis-incident/

Here's the important part in case you didn't want to read the whole story.

Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. Although Soulis could not have known it, Palmer was wanted for murder in a neighboring state.

Here's another, this one involves the great "man stopper" .45ACP
https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Again the core of the story.

At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

I guess all that ammo is just a cover up for poor form and has nothing to do with providing more chances/opportunities to save your life or that of someone else..

bsand said:
I'll ask this again, what makes you an expert on defensive handgun use? What state do you carry a defensive handgun?

I can't tell if your a troll, or you seriously believe the crap your spitting to be beneficial.
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I didn't know carrying a firearm equated to automatically being proficient with it or having sound tactics to go along.

I'll ask you who in the industry who is an "SME" is concerned with or advocates large calibre pistols with heavy recoil and limited capacities over the inverse?? Anyone with even a slight knowledge of handgun ballistics knows they all suck and that shot placement trumps everything else. Even hunters understand that shot placement is key.

I never said I was an expert in anything but I have yet to see anyone dispute what I post with facts instead of disdain and insults.

Oh and it should be you're not your. Your is possessive, shows ownership. You're is a contraction of the words YOU and ARE.
 
Kidd X said:
Do you not understand that more recoil means more effort required to bring the sights back to the target? Proper recoil management doesn't eliminate recoil it MANAGES it. Less recoil means faster follow up shots.

Do you understand that fewer rounds means you can't press the fight as long as others? Higher capacity isn't a crutch, it's a tactical advantage. Same reason we use belt fed machine guns. Have you forgotten that on average a threat requires 3 rounds to neutralize which means a Glock 17 topped off in theory is capable of dealing with 6 threats(provided no misses) whereas a standard 15 round capacity pistol is capable of 5, or a 12 round pistol at 4, or a 9 round pistol at 3. If you had a revolver you're really up the creek at 2. Factor in misses and your capability is greatly reduced.

Can you show me anywhere in history where an armed citizen or LEO or soldier wished they had fewer rounds with them during a gunfight??

Here's a true story of where capacity saved an officers life.
http://lawofficer.com/archive/officer-down-the-peter-soulis-incident/

Here's the important part in case you didn't want to read the whole story.

Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. Although Soulis could not have known it, Palmer was wanted for murder in a neighboring state.

Here's another, this one involves the great "man stopper" .45ACP
https://www.policeone.com/police-he...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Again the core of the story.

At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

I guess all that ammo is just a cover up for poor form and has nothing to do with providing more chances/opportunities to save your life or that of someone else..



I didn't know carrying a firearm equated to automatically being proficient with it or having sound tactics to go along.

I'll ask you who in the industry who is an "SME" is concerned with or advocates large calibre pistols with heavy recoil and limited capacities over the inverse?? Anyone with even a slight knowledge of handgun ballistics knows they all suck and that shot placement trumps everything else. Even hunters understand that shot placement is key.

I never said I was an expert in anything but I have yet to see anyone dispute what I post with facts instead of disdain and insults.

Oh and it should be you're not your. Your is possessive, shows ownership. You're is a contraction of the words YOU and ARE.
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Your so smrat KiddX!
 
Kidd X said:
Do you not understand that more recoil means more effort required to bring the sights back to the target? Proper recoil management doesn't eliminate recoil it MANAGES it. Less recoil means faster follow up shots.

Do you understand that fewer rounds means you can't press the fight as long as others? Higher capacity isn't a crutch, it's a tactical advantage. Same reason we use belt fed machine guns. Have you forgotten that on average a threat requires 3 rounds to neutralize which means a Glock 17 topped off in theory is capable of dealing with 6 threats(provided no misses) whereas a standard 15 round capacity pistol is capable of 5, or a 12 round pistol at 4, or a 9 round pistol at 3. If you had a revolver you're really up the creek at 2. Factor in misses and your capability is greatly reduced.

Can you show me anywhere in history where an armed citizen or LEO or soldier wished they had fewer rounds with them during a gunfight??

Here's a true story of where capacity saved an officers life.
http://lawofficer.com/archive/officer-down-the-peter-soulis-incident/

Here's the important part in case you didn't want to read the whole story.

Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. Although Soulis could not have known it, Palmer was wanted for murder in a neighboring state.

Here's another, this one involves the great "man stopper" .45ACP
https://www.policeone.com/police-he...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Again the core of the story.

At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.

I guess all that ammo is just a cover up for poor form and has nothing to do with providing more chances/opportunities to save your life or that of someone else...
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The funny thing is I don't even believe half of what I'm saying. I'm just trying to illustrate how short sighted your constant blanket statements are. There's literally nothing to support your repeated assertions that any and all modifications to a gun are a "crutch" yet you just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. I suppose it's really not just an river in Egypt.
 
rkm456 said:
The funny thing is I don't even believe half of what I'm saying. I'm just trying to illustrate how short sighted your constant blanket statements are. There's literally nothing to support your repeated assertions that any and all modifications to a gun are a "crutch" yet you just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. I suppose it's really not just an river in Egypt.
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So you have nothing to offer in return, no rebuttal? You clearly have no idea what's being discussed and have resorted to thinly veiled personal attacks in an attempt to deflect your inability to debate, well done. Just for fun...

Tell where aftermarket triggers come in when discussing the fundamentals of marksmanship?
Tell me where thumb rests/gas pedals come in when discussing fundamentals of marksmanship?
Tell me where cool coated gold coloured barrels come in when discussing the fundamentals of marksmanship?
Tell me how capacity isn't an advantage in a gunfight or a competition?
Tell me how a softer recoiling cartridge isn't an advantage in a gunfight or a competition?
Tell me how a smaller and/or lighter pistol isn't an advantage for MIL/LEO or civilian CCW folks?
 
So you have nothing to offer in return, no rebuttal? You clearly have no idea what's being discussed and have resorted to thinly veiled personal attacks in an attempt to deflect your inability to debate, well done. Just for fun... I've not once made a "personal attack" against you, I'm simply pointing out the fallacies of your blanket statements.

Tell where aftermarket triggers come in when discussing the fundamentals of marksmanship? Someone who's mastered the fundamentals will shoot a lighter trigger better.
Tell me where thumb rests/gas pedals come in when discussing fundamentals of marksmanship? They help to ensure consistency of shooting grip.
Tell me where cool coated gold coloured barrels come in when discussing the fundamentals of marksmanship? No clue. I was always under the impression those coatings were marketed as improving mechanical function rather than shooting ability.
Tell me how capacity isn't an advantage in a gunfight or a competition? It sacrifices ballistic advantage in favor of a minimal amount of extra cartridges.
Tell me how a softer recoiling cartridge isn't an advantage in a gunfight or a competition? See above.
Tell me how a smaller and/or lighter pistol isn't an advantage for MIL/LEO or civilian CCW folks? Heavier guns manage recoil better.

See? If you insist that everything is black and white we can play this game until the end of time. You're just going to have to accept that just because you like it best, doesn't make it best.
 
DT741 said:
Buy a few more magazines (OEM or PMAGS)
Buy some ammo and shoot
Repeat

Dont modify until you can shoot it good in the stock form, this will save you a lot of money down the road.
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Quoted for truth. Out of all the Glocks that I've owned, there are only three things that I have found to be worth spending money on across the board. Extra magazines, night sites, and ammunition.

I found with my Gen III Glock 19, I wanted to improve the texture. I personally find the Gen IV grips to be just fine from the factory.
 
Sharpi, where do you shoot? You're just listed as Ontario. If it's Lower Trent Valley, I would be happy to come shoot with you when your pistol shows up. I've shot a lot of Glocks for a lot of time. :)

Bradley
 
PaveHammer said:
Sharpi, where do you shoot? You're just listed as Ontario. If it's Lower Trent Valley, I would be happy to come shoot with you when your pistol shows up. I've shot a lot of Glocks for a lot of time. :)

Bradley
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Appreciate the offer, but I'm far north from you. North of cottage country. Sure can't wait to receive my Glock!
 
Sharpi said:
Appreciate all the tips, guys. Can't wait to try my new Glock! Transfer initiated on Monday August 14th. Hoping it goes through as quick as the latest ones!
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Congratulations, I love the Glock machines!

I've had 9 Glocks to date, and 4 currently (26G3, 19G4, 17G4, 34MOS). The most important modification for me is night sights, but I also like the Glock factory extended mag release and slide release. I have Meprolight green/green on 26 ,19 & 17, Trijicon suppressor height green/green on the G34 to get over the micro red-dot.

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Definitely invest the majority of your money in ammo for the first while, and see how you like it stock.

Trigger IMO - The long pre travel is my least liked thing about shooting Glocks but it is completely not a big deal. It is a different gun with different intended use, than my 1911 or CZ pistols. The crisp break, with short, sharp reset is very good. I leave all my Glock triggers as they came from the factory.

Even though night sights is my only required mod, I do like toys and accessories. I have tac-lights, Crimson Trace lasers, extended barrel and compensator for the G19, I have shaved the trigger guards on my 26 and 19, and Cerakoted the slides on the FDE frames.

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Oh yeah, as others have said extra mags. Personally I prefer the Glock10/17 (10/19 with +2 bases) way more than the 10/10 options. I really don't like the look of the rivet, but they are so much nicer to load.

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Holy Glock! Nice collection. All it took, was for me to try a friends 17 for the first time, a few weeks ago. I suppose I fell in the camp that ridiculed them, until I actually tried one. I say, they at popular for a reason. They sure point well, that's for sure. The recoil characteristics impressed me too.
 
Many have advised you keep it stock for a while which is sound advice, but I have to say I can't imagine using my Glock without the Apex trigger.

I bought the Apex on a whim one day from Brownells. It's flat horizontally and mostly flat vertically. The horizontal flatness helps me pull the trigger straight rearward. With the OEM trigger having a horizontal curve I tend to pull it laterally. The vertical flatness of the Apex makes the trigger pull seem lighter since you can pull it from the bottom giving you more leverage.

Best part about the Apex is that the trigger blade safety goes flush with the trigger when it's pulled. It feels a lot more comfortable than the OEM where the trigger safety remains outward pushing into your finger.

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"A 9mm pistol has approximately twice the service life of a .40cal gun."

I get what you're saying in most of your post. I disagree with the above. Just personal experience.
 
JACKSMYDOG said:
Congratulations, I love the Glock machines!

I've had 9 Glocks to date, and 4 currently (26G3, 19G4, 17G4, 34MOS). The most important modification for me is night sights, but I also like the Glock factory extended mag release and slide release. I have Meprolight green/green on 26 ,19 & 17, Trijicon suppressor height green/green on the G34 to get over the micro red-dot.

Definitely invest the majority of your money in ammo for the first while, and see how you like it stock.

Trigger IMO - The long pre travel is my least liked thing about shooting Glocks but it is completely not a big deal. It is a different gun with different intended use, than my 1911 or CZ pistols. The crisp break, with short, sharp reset is very good. I leave all my Glock triggers as they came from the factory.

Even though night sights is my only required mod, I do like toys and accessories. I have tac-lights, Crimson Trace lasers, extended barrel and compensator for the G19, I have shaved the trigger guards on my 26 and 19, and Cerakoted the slides on the FDE frames.

Oh yeah, as others have said extra mags. Personally I prefer the Glock10/17 (10/19 with +2 bases) way more than the 10/10 options. I really don't like the look of the rivet, but they are so much nicer to load.
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Wow. That's quite the collection. I'm currently on my 3rd, but I tend to be on a "one in, one out" system, and I don't think my 34 is going anywhere.
 
Got my Glock today! Have not had a chance to shoot it yet. First dry fire, and I thought the trigger was broke, since it stays locked back, until you rack the slide. Ya I'm a Glock amateur. Love the gun! Gonna hit the range soon!
 
veebooster said:
"A 9mm pistol has approximately twice the service life of a .40cal gun."

I get what you're saying in most of your post. I disagree with the above. Just personal experience.
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Disagree if you like but it has been tested and confirmed that 9mm guns have twice the life on average of a .40cal gun.
 
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